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ComixZone · 03-25-2021, 02:36 PM

April 2021 Trades:

To Florida: Sean Monahan
To Calgary: Anton Lundell

To Carolina: Johnny Gaudreau
To Calgary: Seth Jarvis, Vasily Ponomarev

To Toronto: Mark Giordano (50% retained), Sam Bennett (50% retained)
To Calgary: 2021 1st round pick, Nick Robertson, Frederik Andersen

Hope that we can draft one of the following players in 2021:
- Luke Hughes
- Owen Power
- William Eklund
- Simon Edvinsson
- Dylan Guenther

and then sign nothing but 1-year contracts with UFAs to fill out the roster in 2021/2022.

Leadership group in 2021/2022:
Chris Tanev (A)
Matthew Tkachuk (A)
Andrew Mangiapane (A)
Rasmus Andersson (A)

There's a fast way to breathe fresh air into this team.

Lanny_McDonald · 03-25-2021, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowtownred

From what I have seen, RNH plays with a bit of bite. He is welcome here.

JFC. I've read it all now.

Wastedyouth · 03-25-2021, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

April 2021 Trades:

To Florida: Sean Monahan
To Calgary: Anton Lundell

To Carolina: Johnny Gaudreau
To Calgary: Seth Jarvis, Vasily Ponomarev

To Toronto: Mark Giordano (50% retained), Sam Bennett (50% retained)
To Calgary: 2021 1st round pick, Nick Robertson, Frederik Andersen

Hope that we can draft one of the following players in 2021:
- Luke Hughes
- Owen Power
- William Eklund
- Simon Edvinsson
- Dylan Guenther

and then sign nothing but 1-year contracts with UFAs to fill out the roster in 2021/2022.

Leadership group in 2021/2022:
Chris Tanev (A)
Matthew Tkachuk (A)
Andrew Mangiapane (A)
Rasmus Andersson (A)

There's a fast way to breathe fresh air into this team.

Lol

I just spit out my coffee.

Vinny01 · 03-25-2021, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowtownred

From what I have seen, RNH plays with a bit of bite. He is welcome here.

The guy with the nickname “the tenderness” is a guy who plays with bite?

I like RNH as a 2 way player but I don’t see him ending up here.

dammage79 · 03-25-2021, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

JFC. I've read it all now.

Right? 9n a Flames fan forum that everybody call RNH "the tenderness". Because you know, he's so .... bitey.

Cowtownred · 03-25-2021, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

JFC. I've read it all now.

To clarify. When I have seen him play against the Flames, he plays with a big of heart, and fiestyness. Perhaps I see something that you don't? Fair enough. 👍

SuperMatt18 · 03-25-2021, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

April 2021 Trades:

To Florida: Sean Monahan
To Calgary: Anton Lundell

To Carolina: Johnny Gaudreau
To Calgary: Seth Jarvis, Vasily Ponomarev

To Toronto: Mark Giordano (50% retained), Sam Bennett (50% retained)
To Calgary: 2021 1st round pick, Nick Robertson, Frederik Andersen

Hope that we can draft one of the following players in 2021:
- Luke Hughes
- Owen Power
- William Eklund
- Simon Edvinsson
- Dylan Guenther

and then sign nothing but 1-year contracts with UFAs to fill out the roster in 2021/2022.

Leadership group in 2021/2022:
Chris Tanev (A)
Matthew Tkachuk (A)
Andrew Mangiapane (A)
Rasmus Andersson (A)

There's a fast way to breathe fresh air into this team.

Similar to what I posted on the previous page but I think this should be the goal.

Move Monahan, Gaudreau, and Gio to teams that are looking to win now but who have deep prospect pools after drafting well the last couple seasons.

Even if you just come away from moving those three with Jarvis, Lundell, and Robertson this team's forward prospect pool just became really deep when you add it to Zary and Pelletier.

Lanny_McDonald · 03-25-2021, 02:58 PM

Said this in a different thread...

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

The team needs to get bigger, faster, and more talented.

Should be pretty simple.

Then proposed these...

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

April 2021 Trades:

To Florida: Sean Monahan
To Calgary: Anton Lundell (6'1, 185)

To Carolina: Johnny Gaudreau
To Calgary: Seth Jarvis (5'10, 187), Vasily Ponomarev (5'11, 176)

To Toronto: Mark Giordano (50% retained), Sam Bennett (50% retained)
To Calgary: 2021 1st round pick, Nick Robertson (5'9, 165), Frederik Andersen (a UFA goaltender!!!)

When you said bigger, you were suggesting larger than... Matthew Phillips???

ComixZone · 03-25-2021, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Similar to what I posted on the previous page but I think this should be the goal.

Move Monahan, Gaudreau, and Gio to teams that are looking to win now but who have deep prospect pools after drafting well the last couple seasons.

Even if you just come away from moving those three with Jarvis, Lundell, and Robertson this team's forward prospect pool just became really deep when you add it to Zary and Pelletier.

Yep.

Just target one solid prospect per trade. Don’t get hung up on “winning” trades. Bring back a key piece, and then get it done.

Carolina is looking for some more scoring, Florida is looking for a centre...see if you can bring in Jarvis and Lundell. It would be huge.

This organization just has to stop pretending it’s current makeup is “close”. It is not.

Based on winning %, we’re currently poised to draft 10th, although very close to 8th. Subtracting some players should help us get into that 4-5 range, and then hope you can win the lottery. This season is already lost and the team already has an engrained culture of losing...just tank these final 20+ games.

Poster · 03-25-2021, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by N-E-B

Nonsense. I can say without question that I had more fun watching the team play in 2013-2016 with all the fun young players than I have from 2017-2021 watching those young players stall out and flatline.

Rebuilds can be fun. You get high picks every year and an exciting new player to look forward to. You cheer for your young players to do well and you don’t get upset with the losses.

I’ll take that over spinning our tires in 7th-10th place every year and maybe making the playoffs to be first round fodder.

Fans can be sold on two things: success and hope. Right now the Flames are selling us on neither, and it’s looking like success is going to be impossible to sell, so why not try again and start selling hope? I bet Ottawa fans are having more fun than we are this season.

Sounds like u should be a Canucks fan. 3 straight years of ####ty play and Calder finalists. Another good young guy this season (Hoglander) with another coming next season (Podkolzin).

Lanny_McDonald · 03-25-2021, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Just target one solid prospect per trade. Don’t get hung up on “winning” trades. Bring back a key piece, and a 1st or second round pick, then get it done.

Restock the cupboards fast and pray you get some players out of it. I would also move Tkachuk in a New York minute. No way is he worth $9M or more a season. Move him and try to maximize the lift to the team. If you're going to burn it down, burn it hell to the ground.

ComixZone · 03-25-2021, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

Said this in a different thread...

Then proposed these...

When you said bigger, you were suggesting larger than... Matthew Phillips???

5’11” is a fine size, although Jarvis is certainly not a big guy.

6’1” is okay, and Lundell is uh...”thick”.

They are both quite talented though! More importantly, there’s no “perfect” piece out there, and the pieces we have certainly aren’t so we shouldn’t get hung up on not finding that perfect 6’4” power forward.

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Originally Posted by New Era

Restock the cupboards fast and pray you get some players out of it. I would also move Tkachuk in a New York minute. No way is he worth $9M or more a season. Move him and try to maximize the lift to the team. If you're going to burn it down, burn it hell to the ground.

Oh yeah, definitively maximize what you can - but no more inactivity. Accept that the team is what it has proven itself to be, and get to work on improving it. That Tkachuk bridge contract struck me as a huge mistake at the time, and that RFA status is likely going to prove to be a disaster. I really like the player, but his qualifying offer being 9M is insane.

1qqaaz · 03-25-2021, 03:17 PM

The problem is scoring.
Does the antidote consist of small, fast and skilled forwards?
Or should the Flames pursue large and physical forwards?

Obviously it would be nice to have all of the above. But when the PP is faltering and the team isn't scoring, I think skill has to be the priority.

Erick Estrada · 03-25-2021, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

The guy with the nickname “the tenderness” is a guy who plays with bite?

I like RNH as a 2 way player but I don’t see him ending up here.

He wouldn't solve the lack of 1st line center but if the team was to move a center out as well as Gaudreau he would be about as good as you will find in free agency this offseason. If some team has to have him and will pay him top dollar they can have him but I would take him in the $6.5 million range especially if they could move out Backlund.

N-E-B · 03-25-2021, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Poster

Sounds like u should be a Canucks fan. 3 straight years of ####ty play and Calder finalists. Another good young guy this season (Hoglander) with another coming next season (Podkolzin).

As opposed to Calgary who’s had 30 years of ##### play and no good young players to look forward to?

Vancouver’s rebuild may or may not work. We don’t know that yet. But we do have a pretty good indication that whatever Calgary has tried has failed. I think most fans would prefer we try again instead of dragging this thing out a few more years in hopes we can sneak into the playoffs and go on a miracle run.

We’re already watching terrible losing hockey. I can handle that if I see some promising young players to cheer on. We don’t have that right now. Vancouver at least has Petterson and Hughes to look forward to. Again, you either sell people on success or hope. I’m not sold on success so give me something to hope for and I can at least find some enjoyment in these games.

Right now I find myself rooting for Lucic to get points. I like Looch but I’d rather have an 18-19 year old stud to cheer on instead.

Classic_Sniper · 03-25-2021, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

The problem is scoring.
Does the antidote consist of small, fast and skilled forwards?
Or should the Flames pursue large and physical forwards?

Obviously it would be nice to have all of the above. But when the PP is faltering and the team isn't scoring, I think skill has to be the priority.

I think people get hung up too much on size.

Tampa is filled with small players and they just won the Cup along with one the greatest regular seasons in the NHL history. Their 2 best forwards are like 5’9” and 5’11”. If this team wants to be built small, then they have to be very skilled then, which they are not. A skilled team would be able to score more then 1 goal per game against the worst defensive team in the division.

Lanny_McDonald · 03-25-2021, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I think people get hung up too much on size.

Tampa is filled with small players and they just won the Cup along with one the greatest regular seasons in the NHL history. Their 2 best forwards are like 5’9” and 5’11”. If this team wants to be built small, then they have to be very skilled then, which they are not. A skilled team would be able to score more then 1 goal per game against the worst defensive team in the division.

Hmmmm, not sure that observation holds water.

2019-20 average size had a player at 6'1, 199 pounds. As far as teams, Tampa was middle of the pack (17th) for height at 6'1.1" and top of the pack (7th) for weight at 203.4 pounds. Calgary was 7th shortest and 8th lightest. We're a small team.

dino7c · 03-25-2021, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

It's 2021 and we're discussing trading Johnny and Mony while signing Hall and RNH.

Trade those 2 for young assets and adding the other two for free would be a bad thing? I don't think so...not saying its realistic

sureLoss · 03-25-2021, 04:45 PM

Servalli says Oilers are looking for a RHS centerman. Glendenning, Sutter, and Derek Ryan could be targets. says they are hoping to spend just a 4th rounder after spending their 2nd, 3rd, and 5th

Sandman · 03-25-2021, 04:46 PM

What did Tampa do at the deadline last year? Went out and got Coleman, Bogosian, and Goodrow. As long as the game has physicaity, and 50/50 battles, team size will be important.