2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Konecny has what, 4 or 5 years left at $5m?

Flames pay to get him. There will be no 1 for 1 swap here

Exactly. That’s why the proposed trade was JG and a 2nd for TK and a 5th

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

He was at one point viewed as a surefire #1 centre, and those are very difficult to come by. To get one right now, I think we need to take a bit of a gamble on a guy who has some warts. If we can use Gaudreau, who isn't really helping us win anyway, to get Konecny, and a shot at a possible #1 centre, that's a win for me.

Sam Bennett was at one point viewed as a sure fire #1 center, and those are difficult to come by. I’m all for taking a gamble on a player, but Nolan Patrick is not that player. He’s shown little since turning pro and after a year off with migraines he’s come back to look even worse. Hard pass on Patrick, unless of course they want to trade him for Sam Bennett.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Exactly. That’s why the proposed trade was JG and a 2nd for TK and a 5th

Sorry I was sort of referencing the deal above my comment where 2 RFAs were involved. It essentially makes it a 1 for 1 for contracted players.

The original deal, from the Athletic, does make more sense.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by New Era

Sam Bennett was at one point viewed as a sure fire #1 center, and those are difficult to come by. I’m all for taking a gamble on a player, but Nolan Patrick is not that player. He’s shown little since turning pro and after a year off with migraines he’s come back to look even worse. Hard pass on Patrick, unless of course they want to trade him for Sam Bennett.

I agree that there seems to be a lot of risk, which is why I proposed something built around Gaudreau and Bennett for Konecny and Patrick.

[Bleeding Red]

I just don't see Philly as a trade partner. Many pick PHA because the prevailing belief is that JG wants to play there. Why should CGY care where JG wants to play if it is not in CGY?
Also, why would PHA want JG? I think they are in "win now" mode, but if they miss the playoffs this year, then I think they'll want to move the likes of Giroux, Vorocek, Hayes, or JVR - core, cultural, shift - like what we think CGY needs. I don't think PHA moves anyone under 25 in the off season - especially TK.

I still think NJD are the team to target - loaded with young centres, not quite ready for "win now" yet, could use a talented winger to help bring out the dynamics in Huges/Hirschiser, and losing a few vets to UFA this year.

Zacha + first + one of Zeuterlund/schnarr/studenic

[Jiri Hrdina]

There were questions about if Patrick would even peak as a number one centre, largely around his offensive upside, even pre draft
Would rather try and get Morgan Frost

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

Many pick PHA

Found Friedman's burner account lol. CAL and PHA not trade partners.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Bennett + Gaudreau for Konecny + Patrick

You make sound like Konecny is lighting things up for the Flyers. He’s been a health scratch and has inferior stats to Johnny.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You make sound like Konecny is lighting things up for the Flyers. He’s been a health scratch and has inferior stats to Johnny.

He’s also 3 years younger and makes 1.25 less and has 3 more years on his deal.

If the quarantine rules weren’t in effect, or if they were reduced to a 7 day period, I would pull the trigger on this without much hesitation.

[savardandjokinen]

Gaudreau is way better than Konecny. Konecny would be a good add but he is not a game changer. People won't be happy when Monahan outscores him

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Found Friedman's burner account lol. CAL and PHA not trade partners.

Sorry, I don't get the Friedman burn/reference?

I just wonder why so many posters are spending so much time on the mental gymnastics to desperately A) Get JG to PHA, and B) get TK (or MF, or NP) out of PHA??

It just seems so much "Square peg in round hole" thinking.

Why is PHA such a great trading partner? Why does CGY want to do JG "a solid" and trade him to his "home town team"? Why not NJD, or NYI (he'd look good with Barzal), or any other East Coast team?

[Poster]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

Sorry, I don't get the Friedman burn/reference?

I just wonder why so many posters are spending so much time on the mental gymnastics to desperately A) Get JG to PHA, and B) get TK (or MF, or NP) out of PHA??

It just seems so much "Square peg in round hole" thinking.

Why is PHA such a great trading partner? Why does CGY want to do JG "a solid" and trade him to his "home town team"? Why not NJD, or NYI (he'd look good with Barzal), or any other East Coast team?

The 3 letter code is PHI. Friedman likes to troll his followers on Twitter by using random ridiculous abbreviations.

[Toonage]

The best Friedman abbreviation was MEEFS and it's not even close.

[Tkachukwagon]

Originally Posted by Toonage

The best Friedman abbreviation was MEEFS and it's not even close.

Ha I actually say this now. “Oh the Meefs are playing the hapless loser oilers tonight”

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

Gaudreau is way better than Konecny. Konecny would be a good add but he is not a game changer. People won't be happy when Monahan outscores him

For me, it’s more about moving on from JG and this core than trying to extract some unattainable return short of some GM who is going to give up some package the Flames might have been able to land after the 99 point season.

I’m also not sure that on balance, taking age, position, and contract status, how much better JG is than TK. JG’s 5 on 5 struggles are well known league wide I would have to think. He needs to be sheltered, heavily, to return to point/game + status. I don’t think there is that much of a gap between the two, especially seeing as TK out scored JG last year.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

Sorry, I don't get the Friedman burn/reference?

I just wonder why so many posters are spending so much time on the mental gymnastics to desperately A) Get JG to PHA, and B) get TK (or MF, or NP) out of PHA??

It just seems so much "Square peg in round hole" thinking.

Why is PHA such a great trading partner? Why does CGY want to do JG "a solid" and trade him to his "home town team"? Why not NJD, or NYI (he'd look good with Barzal), or any other East Coast team?

I don’t think it’s square peg round hole in the least. At least one NHL executive agrees.

TK addresses a positional red for this club who has term and just turned 24. Further, take a look at the depth chart. The Flames are loaded with undersized LHS wingers. Perhaps I’m reading between the lines, but it seems JG’s replacement may already be in the horizon.

[Poster]

Only Flames homers think JG has more value than TK. Same group thinks JVR is a cap dump but JG is worth a premium.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Poster

Only Flames homers think JG has more value than TK. Same group thinks JVR is a cap dump but JG is worth a premium.

JG has far better stats

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

I just wonder why so many posters are spending so much time on the mental gymnastics to desperately A) Get JG to PHA, and B) get TK (or MF, or NP) out of PHA??

It just seems so much "Square peg in round hole" thinking.

No mental gymnastics involved. Trading a winger for a winger is usually pretty easy, especially when they are so similar in so many ways. Gaudreau for Konecny is just a real solid fit. Gaudreau has much more star power and is a local boy (his childhood arena where he and Buddy Robinson played together is 25 minutes from the site of the old Spectrum, so Johnny is as local as cheesesteak) and Konecny is a cog in the Flyer machine. It would be small winger for small winger. Gaudreau's fiance is also a nurse at a local hospital and his family is involved in that local community. The draw there is pretty undeniable for both parties. So no stretch.

Why is PHA such a great trading partner? Why does CGY want to do JG "a solid" and trade him to his "home town team"? Why not NJD, or NYI (he'd look good with Barzal), or any other East Coast team?

For all the reasons just listed. Calgary doesn't want to trade him to his hometown team, they are possibly just the easiest since this is where Gaudreau likely wants to end up. Why would New Jersey be a better fit? Other than being raised in New Jersey he has no affiliation with the Devils. They are also a rebuilding team looking to find the right long term components. Is Gaudreau one of those? I don't see it. Gaudreau may be a Jersey boy, but he's a south jersey boy which is more Pennsylvania, and more importantly Philadelphia, than it is Jersey. Why would Jersey be inclined to trade a center just breaking out, plus other pieces, for small winger? Seems like trying to force something that isn't there. Same with the Islanders. How do you make the salaries work? What's the deal? Gaudreau for Pageau and Beauvillier? What else does Calgary kick in there? Valimaki? Seems like a deal with the Islanders is very difficult to work out and would be something forced. The Flyers suggestion seems like the most likely because it is a really good fit.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

JG has far better stats

And skills.