What would you give up for Eichel?

[troutman]

Do not want, so nothing.

[Monahammer]

Monahan+zary or pelletier+valimaki+1st for eichel

Or Tkachuk+zary or pelletier for eichel

Or Monahan+ gaudreau+ zary or pelletier+ 1st for reinhart + eichel

[Moneyhands23]

Unfortunately I think you need to build through the draft. This is pretty much the opposite. If the team isn't good enough now you start a rebuild

[browntrout]

I would do Eichel for Lindholm and Tkachuk in a heartbeat. We keep our draft pick moving forward incase the team slides a season or two. I don't think Tkachuk is close enough to get it done by himself, so then the question becomes how much do you decimate the team, by keeping the draft picks you protect our team moving forward. Your going to have to overpay to get this guy, but the team is not talented enough to compete with Edmonton, that has become abundantly clear this year. I would see this trade as a re-tool, team should be competitive in a year or two from now....or we stay status quo and just be mediocre.

[Slava]

Monahan, this years 1st and next years 1st. I make that deal in a heartbeat because Eichel would excellent here.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by troutman

Do not want, so nothing.

He’d be amazing to get, but you have to trade such a significant amount of assets to get him that I don’t think it’s worth it at all. You either draft these guys or sign them as free agents.

[topfiverecords]

They’d probably ask for Markstrom or no deal.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Nothing. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. Eichel isn't turning any team into something it is already not. If he can't carry a line in Buffalo to be elite how is he going to do it elsewhere? And save the "play with better players" bull####. The package we put together is going to leave the team with very few players worth a damn for him to play with. Still not convinced Eichel is a star player any more than Taylor Hall is a star player. We've seen how that has played out this year.

[Aarongavey]

I think the folks against picking up Eichel are forgetting that what we would have to give up for him should lead us to a high draft pick in 2022 and 2023, which could be good for the rebuild. I would not give up anything in the pipeline (prospects or picks) but I would give up almost anybody on the current roster. As long as (outside of Tkachuk and Valimaki) no assets under the age of 24 are given up I am fine with an Eichel trade.

[Ashasx]

I don't really understand the purpose of talking about this too much.

What's the point of selling the farm for Eichel (and absolutely that is his value) just to become Buffalo west? If he can't do it there, why would he be able to do it in Calgary after we trade everybody of value just to land him?

You can't just retool at this point and hope to be immediately competitive, even if the player you land is one of the best in the league. McDavid couldn't even pull the Oilers to the playoffs for a while, and Eichel isn't nearly as good as he is.

This team needs a fundamental change in long-term direction to become competitive. There are no short cuts to success here.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think the folks against picking up Eichel are forgetting that what we would have to give up for him should lead us to a high draft pick in 2022 and 2023, which could be good for the rebuild. I would not give up anything in the pipeline (prospects or picks) but I would give up almost anybody on the current roster. As long as (outside of Tkachuk and Valimaki) no assets under the age of 24 are given up I am fine with an Eichel trade.

Well, that's certainly something to look forward to and definitely another reason to make the trade.

Who the hell is going to make a trade that forces you into a rebuild when the player you are acquiring to be the centerpiece of your team is a UFA when those picks are ready? Counting on picks in 2022 and 2023 means expecting those players to be ready and contributing in 2025 and 2026. Eichel is an UFA in 2026. Back to square one.

Also, no way is Buffalo biting on any deal where assets under the age of 24 are not included. They may take a couple assets in their prime, but they will be demanding a couple for the future as well. You're not getting away without offering up one of your best prospects and at least one 1st. The deal will probably be two top end roster players, a top prospect, and a 1st round pick. Too great a squeeze for not enough juice.

[Joborule]

Unless Flames are trading for Connor McDavid, these proposals giving off all of the Flames best players and future prospects will just set the franchise further back.

The Flames haven't been good at building blue chip prospects to fulfill their needs on the roster, and if the franchise is ever going to get it together, they need to respect the draft, and value early round draft picks much more than they have. So giving up the prospects with some promise that they do have now, as well early round picks is the last thing they should be doing.

[Macho0978]

If the Flames want Eichel and not trade Tkachuk or Lindholm then they need to get to work now

They need to sell this deadline and add picks and drive up the value of their first. Otherwise they have no chance getting Eichel and not moving lindholm or Tkachuk. They don’t have enough

Monahan to Montreal for Tatar 1st and 2nd in 22

Gio to Boston for 1st

Gaudreau to Philly for Patrick frost and 1st

4 first and Patrick for Eichel. Our first might need to win lottery and then we may have a chance

[Flamesfan05]

I'd do Johnny+Monahan and 1st lottery pick for Eichel and whatever junk that want to send us for salary purpose

[PepsiFree]

To make Eichel worthwhile, you need to either:

1. Ensure we’re contenders today
2. Ensure we’re contenders in the last two years of his contract (before he hits UFA)

None of the realistic proposals here do that.

I’ve posted this before, but there are cap implications in acquiring Eichel that extended beyond who you give up. So you might make the salaries balance today, but you are then likely losing a few of the guys you aren’t including in the trade over the next couple of years. If you trade a bunch of futures (1st rounders or top prospects) then you still lose those guys and you have zero hope for the future.

Eichel does not make a team. These proposals range from bad to stupid, not because of the people making them, but because they do consider the huge negative ripple effect any trade for Eichel is going to have, due to the age of our team, our own lack of franchise players, and our lack of high end prospects.

Trading for Eichel would cripple the team in 9/10 possible scenarios. Want to cheer for Buffalo? Go cheer for Buffalo. Imagine the Oilers as they are today with Markstrom instead of McDavid. That’s what we’re looking at, team wise.

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by New Era

Nothing. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. Eichel isn't turning any team into something it is already not. If he can't carry a line in Buffalo to be elite how is he going to do it elsewhere? And save the "play with better players" bull####. The package we put together is going to leave the team with very few players worth a damn for him to play with. Still not convinced Eichel is a star player any more than Taylor Hall is a star player. We've seen how that has played out this year.

That's just it - the deal has to look more like the Hamilton trade, where not just one asset comes back.

Putting Eichel on the Flames just makes them the new Sabres.

[bluejays]

Eichel would be a good add to compete with McDavid and MacKinnon in the regular division. I really can't see the Flames looking at adding him because of the flight risk once free agency comes around. Keeping in mind game theory with other teams competing, I'd honestly say roster wise, aside from Markstrom, there is nobody I'd hold back from taking. Furthermore, this years' 1st is more or less a 2nd in a good year, so I'd have no problem dealing this years' first. Beyond that is the question of what's worth it to this team going forward considering lack of depth on the roster.

The best offer I'd consider, which I don't think would be enough, but would be the best the team could offer without screwing the team over for the future would be:


To Flames:
Taylor Hall
Jack Eichel
(cap filler roster player)

To Buffalo:
Sean Monahan
Johnny Guadreau
Mikael Backlund (though getting past the NTC to Buffalo, questionable at best)
1st 2021


I don't think Buffalo is interested too much in draft picks for a complete rebuild. So I think a guy like Zary would interest them little where he's unlikely to be a high impact 1st liner. So that's where I think other teams like Montreal, have better to offer in a guy like Suzuki, as someone like that could step in right now and make an impact. Buffalo's ownership has shown an impatience over the years so that should be another indicator they probably don't want draft picks as the centerpieces in any deal by now. Flames just can't afford to give up any beyond this years' subpar draft.

[GreenLantern2814]

It’s probably worth revisiting what makes a contender a contender, and then we can see where the gaps in this roster pop up.

Apologies in advance for using the 2004 Lightning as an example - I do think it underscores my point.

#1C (Lecavalier)
#2C who’d be a #1 on most teams (Richards)
1 or more high-skill wingers (St-Louis, Stillman, Fedotenko)
#3F who’d be a #2C on most teams (Modin)

#1D who plays 25+ a night in the playoffs. (No one)
4D who can play mistake-free hockey. (5 defensemen averaged 18 minutes or more a game)

#1G who can play .920 or better for long periods and steal one game out of 7. (Khabibulin, .933, 1.71)

Elite head coach. (Tortorella)

Fill out the rest as you see fit, but without two elite centres, a goalie and a coach, you’re dead in the water.

Applying this to the Flames:

#1C - no. We’re not even sure Our #1C is a centre - a not-insignificant portion of the board wants him back at RW.
1 or more high skill wingers - yes. God damn, does this team love collecting high skill wingers. FFS.
#2C who’d be a #1 on most teams - no.
#3C - yes.

#1D who you’d play 25+ a night - no.
4D to play relatively mistake free hockey - maybe - I think this blue line has about a billion times more talent and ability than the 2004 one, but the entire league is different.

#1G - yes, I think Markstrom is the sort of talent that Sutter can succeed with.

Coach- yes.

You can win with all the ingredients and still have an idiot GM. I’d still replace Treliving this summer.

[CSharp]

Throw in everything you could except for Mangiapane and without any draft picks and do a proper rebuild after that. He will be the franchise player you build upon.

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It’s probably worth revisiting what makes a contender a contender, and then we can see where the gaps in this roster pop up.

Apologies in advance for using the 2004 Lightning as an example - I do think it underscores my point.

#1C (Lecavalier)
#2C who’d be a #1 on most teams (Richards)
1 or more high-skill wingers (St-Louis, Stillman, Fedotenko)
#3F who’d be a #2C on most teams (Modin)

#1D who plays 25+ a night in the playoffs. (No one)
4D who can play mistake-free hockey. (5 defensemen averaged 18 minutes or more a game)

#1G who can play .920 or better for long periods and steal one game out of 7. (Khabibulin, .933, 1.71)

Elite head coach. (Tortorella)

Fill out the rest as you see fit, but without two elite centres, a goalie and a coach, you’re dead in the water.

Applying this to the Flames:

#1C - no. We’re not even sure Our #1C is a centre - a not-insignificant portion of the board wants him back at RW.
1 or more high skill wingers - yes. God damn, does this team love collecting high skill wingers. FFS.
#2C who’d be a #1 on most teams - no.
#3C - yes.

#1D who you’d play 25+ a night - no.
4D to play relatively mistake free hockey - maybe - I think this blue line has about a billion times more talent and ability than the 2004 one, but the entire league is different.

#1G - yes, I think Markstrom is the sort of talent that Sutter can succeed with.

Coach- yes.

You can win with all the ingredients and still have an idiot GM. I’d still replace Treliving this summer.

I agree. And I think we all saw a window opening with the rise of Giordano, but it's now closing, and the difference, all the difference in the world, is that the Bennett pick didn't turn into a star 1c. That changes absolutely everything about the team. The Neal signing hurt almost as much. And now... yeah I don't even know how you fix it. Sell high and try again?