Chucky on the Decline....

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Bottom line is...Tkachuk has to start pulling his weight. If he does not or is incapable of doing so you move on from him.

I think so many players aren't pulling their weight right now that you need to be careful with this kind of assessment.

The Flames probably need to do a full rebuild at this point. However, they are intending to compete, at least for right now. Trading Tkachuk will simply make that harder.

And I'm not saying don't do it.

But if you are trading Tkachuk, it has to be because of a fundamental strategic shift in the organization's direction.

The Flames as an organization need to avoid selling low and buying high.

[transplant99]

Avoiding the ridiculousness of someone thinking they can tell what somebody else is feeling about a hire over a zoom call, i will just add this..

If 85 points in his last 100 games is "declining"......can BT go out and get about 8 more "declining" players....please?

[Erick Estrada]

Tkachuk is kind of found money to me. If Dim Jim doesn't do Dim Jim things there is likely a massive Juolevi thread here about what to do with another top 10 bust as I feel that's the guy the Flames were going to take at that spot. The Flames got some good years from Tkachuk but he played his cards pushing for the bridge deal and it's up to Treliving or whomever the GM is to make sure that the asset is not mismanaged as if you spin Tkachuk into a 1st round pick and top prospect it's a continuation of the gift the Flames received from the Canucks. The Flames have already played a dangerous game with one of their other top assets in Gaudreau and sooner or later you would hope that smarter minds prevail here as there's a long game here and the organization needs to position themselves to have at least a roster with hope to open the new arena.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Incorrect. You may not but I can. I think many of us noted that he had a strange awkward look in his face during the entire presser. He didn't look like a guy that was introducing his guy that day. Take a look at his body language when he was introducing Peters. Night and day difference.

Whoa. didn't think I would have to reference this, but you were the guy who fell for the Peter Klein meltdown during a traffic read.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I was the one who had insider info that ownership made the Sutter decision, and I’m not lying about it. I’ve been a member on this board since 2010, actually 2004 if you count my first account. I get no kicks throwing false info to CP. I value CP and want to add value to the discussion.

To follow up on this. Not sure how many may remember but I broke the news here of Tangs not being happy as a Flame long before he got traded. I got it from a source that I knew had personal dealings with Flames players and coaches and it was 100% legit. I get why some people get pessimistic when a poster proclaims knowledge of inside information but it really is a small world as I've heard a lot of stuff over the years from NHL player parents, players, etc and the reality is some fans would rather close their eyes than accept that the poster may be speaking truth. It's an entirely personal decision if a poster wants to believe something like this but that doesn't mean it's not true.

[GioforPM]

Treliving doesn’t really need this job - he’d be up for any opening, plus he’s from a very wealthy family. I doubt he’s letting management dictate his decisions. Input is one thing, being directed to hire a coach is another and if that’s what they’re doing they may as well fire him.

Frankly I had the opposite impression in his presser - he was excited to have Sutter and he was unhappy with the players.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Avoiding the ridiculousness of someone thinking they can tell what somebody else is feeling about a hire over a zoom call, i will just add this..

If 85 points in his last 100 games is "declining"......can BT go out and get about 8 more "declining" players....please?

5 points, +5, 12 shots in his last 5 games. Chucky on the decline!

This piling on Matthew Tkachuk is ridiculous. Now I understand he is having a tough stretch but hes still playing at a .8 points per game pace, leads the Flames in hits, penalties drawn, shots, tied for second on the team in plus minus. All while getting the least O zone starts on the team. Not to mention playing without the center he has had his entire career. Takes adjustment, rather than not having to think, he now has to.

He will break out of this mini funk hes having, then we will all have the lame pleasure of reading about all of you that have some crow to eat.

[tvp2003]

To confirm, just because Chucky's qualifying offer is $9M, that doesn't set the floor for what he ultimately must sign for, correct? In other words, if he doesn't sign an extension before his contract is up, Calgary has to offer him 1 year QO at $9M (which I suppose he could accept) in order to retain his rights, but that doesn't preclude him from rejecting that offer and re-signing for longer term but lower AAV?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

To confirm, just because Chucky's qualifying offer is $9M, that doesn't set the floor for what he ultimately must sign for, correct? In other words, if he doesn't sign an extension before his contract is up, Calgary has to offer him 1 year QO at $9M (which I suppose he could accept) in order to retain his rights, but that doesn't preclude him from rejecting that offer and re-signing for longer term but lower AAV?

Correct.

And very likely how it all unfolds.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Not that ridiculous. Having watched the press conference cover to cover twice now I agree that Treliving was obviously uncomfortable about something.

Probably obviously uncomfortable about his face being on camera for the entire thing, up close, even as Sutter was talking.

Being on camera while not being the one talking IS uncomfortable. Try it on your next zoom meeting.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

To confirm, just because Chucky's qualifying offer is $9M, that doesn't set the floor for what he ultimately must sign for, correct? In other words, if he doesn't sign an extension before his contract is up, Calgary has to offer him 1 year QO at $9M (which I suppose he could accept) in order to retain his rights, but that doesn't preclude him from rejecting that offer and re-signing for longer term but lower AAV?

Unless he specifically wants to stay in Calgary, it makes no sense to sign with the Flames before the QO unless they are going to offer him a better deal than he would get as a UFA. Either he gets Calgary to pay a premium to stop him exploring his options, or he goes to market and gets the best possible deal according to what he wants.

Continuing his current play, he is not going to be worth 9M per season and the Flames shouldn't pay that, so the end of this contract should basically be regarded as the point where he goes UFA unless there is a big improvement. Treliving has mostly done a great job with contracts, but the ball is in Tkachuk's court on this deal. He's either getting 9M, or he gets paid like a UFA.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’ve noticed the same look on Johnny and Tkachuk. They’re both bolting, I can tell by their faces. It’s pure science.

Did you see Brayden Point's face while he was lifting the Cup? It was like he only had a 3/4 smile and he blinked twice really fast. This is code for 'I want out and please trade me to the Calgary Flames'. Point wants to come home and is being held in Tampa against his will. Treliving knows this and his facial expressions during the Sutter conference call were meant to calm the waters while he works on the Bennett for Point deal. Treliving doesn't want to tip off Freidman, LeBrun, CJ or Seravelli.

I know you might think I am crazy, but I asked my dog and he agrees.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Probably obviously uncomfortable about his face being on camera for the entire thing, up close, even as Sutter was talking.

Being on camera while not being the one talking IS uncomfortable. Try it on your next zoom meeting.

Let's try this on for size.

In the space of the last few dozen posts we have now seen five possible explanations for why Treliving "looked uncomfortable" during his press conference with Darryl Sutter:

· Treliving was extremely tired after a multi-day marathon to replace his coach mid-season
· Treliving felt very awkward on a zoom call being broadcast city-wide and across the internet with the camera squarely set on him through long periods of silence while Sutter answered questions
· Treliving is bitter and embarrassed about being forced by ownership to hire Sutter, a decision he never would have made on his own
· Treliving was very upset about having to fire Geoff Ward—a man he appears to sincerely care about and deeply respect—only hours before the PC began
· Treliving is angry about his team's performance, and very frustrated with several of the core players on the team

Based on everything that we know, which of these is most likely?

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Let's try this on for size.

In the space of the last few dozen posts we have now seen five possible explanations for why Treliving "looked uncomfortable" during his press conference with Darryl Sutter:

· Treliving was extremely tired after a multi-day marathon to replace his coach mid-season
· Treliving felt very awkward on a zoom call being broadcast city-wide and across the internet with the camera squarely set on him through long periods of silence while Sutter answered questions
· Treliving is bitter and embarrassed about being forced by ownership to hire Sutter, a decision he never would have made on his own
· Treliving was very upset about having to fire Geoff Ward—a man he appears to sincerely care about and deeply respect—only hours before the PC began
· Treliving is angry about his team's performance, and very frustrated with several of the core players on the team

Based on everything that we know, which of these is most likely?

All the above, dramatically less so #3?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Let's try this on for size.

In the space of the last few dozen posts we have now seen five possible explanations for why Treliving "looked uncomfortable" during his press conference with Darryl Sutter:

· Treliving was extremely tired after a multi-day marathon to replace his coach mid-season
· Treliving felt very awkward on a zoom call being broadcast city-wide and across the internet with the camera squarely set on him through long periods of silence while Sutter answered questions
· Treliving is bitter and embarrassed about being forced by ownership to hire Sutter, a decision he never would have made on his own
· Treliving was very upset about having to fire Geoff Ward—a man he appears to sincerely care about and deeply respect—only hours before the PC began
· Treliving is angry about his team's performance, and very frustrated with several of the core players on the team

Based on everything that we know, which of these is most likely?

....one of the more absurd conversations I have seen on this forum, and there have been some beauties.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Let's try this on for size.

In the space of the last few dozen posts we have now seen five possible explanations for why Treliving "looked uncomfortable" during his press conference with Darryl Sutter:

· Treliving was extremely tired after a multi-day marathon to replace his coach mid-season
· Treliving felt very awkward on a zoom call being broadcast city-wide and across the internet with the camera squarely set on him through long periods of silence while Sutter answered questions
· Treliving is bitter and embarrassed about being forced by ownership to hire Sutter, a decision he never would have made on his own
· Treliving was very upset about having to fire Geoff Ward—a man he appears to sincerely care about and deeply respect—only hours before the PC began
· Treliving is angry about his team's performance, and very frustrated with several of the core players on the team

Based on everything that we know, which of these is most likely?

Beyond all that..it could be ANYTHING.

His wife called and told him she was pregnant even though he had a vasectomy.

His father called and told him that his favorite pizza was no longer going to be on the menu.

Johnny just informed him about a great deal on a house in Philly he has been eyeing.

His doctor called and told him those are not hemmoroids.....its a tumor!!

All absurd but made to point out that even if someone looked uncomfortable on a zoom call..there could be, literally, a thousand reasons for it.

The guy is a human...humans have bad days, humans get uncomfortable for various reasons.

Personally i did not notice anything thats being suggested but then again i wasnt looking for it and those that were saw something that confirmed what they believe...even if the reason for it has nothing to do with their entirely made up conclusions.

[868904]

Tkachuk is still a very effective player and he's not that far off his career average in points.

I think what is drawing attention to him is that we are inundated by McDavid talk and highlights and you couldn't find a player who is more opposite of what Tkachuk is.

McDavid is the fastest player in the game, Tkachuk might be one of the slowest. You see our best player and he is slow and plodding, you see your rivals' best player and he is supersonic, plus the rival is winning and you aren't.

However, they are completely different players and bring very different things to the game.

The only reason why this is being discussed is because the Flames are not winning. Tkachuk isn't really doing anything that he hasn't been doing in years past. Again, he's not far off his career pace or even last year's pace.

I think he's had some poor games this year, but overall, I really don't see a huge difference in his play from last season. He didn't just forget "how to hockey". We are just dealing with a lot higher expectations for the team this season and there is also greater pressure given the shortened season.

Ward's mishandling of the roster and team this year has really set the team back and everything else is being magnified.

There isn't a decline with Tkachuk at all. If there is any change, it's likely due to the team telling him to "calm down", which is stupid, but not something of his doing.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Correct.

And very likely how it all unfolds.

I tried looking it up but couldn't find anything: if Tkachuk accepts the 1 year, $9M QO for the 22/23 season, is he a UFA the following year? My guess is yes, and I suppose if Tkachuk does want out that's the quickest way to do it.

[troutman]

Didn't Tre say he has been talking to Darryl on and off for quite some time, and this was the first opportunity the timing worked out for everyone?

[868904]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I tried looking it up but couldn't find anything: if Tkachuk accepts the 1 year, $9M QO for the 22/23 season, is he a UFA the following year? My guess is yes, and I suppose if Tkachuk does want out that's the quickest way to do it.

What happens if the Flames don't offer a QO? Does he just sit out till a contract gets negotiated?