Cameron documentary claims to have found Jesus' Tomb. Oh, and dead body too...

[photon]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Photon, you mentioned something interesting to me. The 100% literal truth of the bible. I had a conversation with a Southern Baptist on my way home from Texas a couple of weeks ago. I asked her about her thoughts on the bible, if it was the words on the page or the meaning behind them. She said to me that translating between languages is like a science now (pure fallacy) and that it was the words on the page, that interpretation leads to the wrong path (her examples were Mormonism and Jehovas Witness). I couldn't believe it.

How there are people who believe that the words in the NIV version of the bible are to be taken literally is preposterous to me. Translation between English and French loses meaning, let alone Greek, Hebrew, verbal accounts, etc.. not to mention creative liberty. However, this doesn't mean that Christianity is wrong, just in some cases.. misguided.

I agree.. it's not an easy thing even if you read the original Hebrew and Greek (which I have done some of), I mean I've gotten in trouble with my wife's family once because I used a spanish word that meant something else in another spanish country.

Originally Posted by flames85

I didn't state anything about Reverend Phelps, to tell you the truth i don't even know who he is. I haven't made a judgement myself if i believe he is a man of God or not. and as i stated before you will know when you meet a true man of God. like someone stated earlier, Beliefs are bases on Faith. and my faith is that the Bible is Fact.

"Knowing it" seems to be a pretty poor way of judging. Everyone knew that pastor from Colorado was a man of God right up until he was outed as having consorted with a gay prostitue. Even doing it biblically (judging them by their fruits) would seem to be not enough; by all accounts Haggard's church was growing, he was in a position of authority over many churches, etc..

[quote=Azure;778575]I don't see why historical evidence couldn't exist to prove that Jesus existed.[quote]

I don't either, definately in the realm of possibility.

But you're not looking for that evidence, you want to know whether or not Jesus is who the Bible attests he is. Which is a fair point.

There will never be proof for that though. "Through faith..."

Agree there too.. though some people seem to get the benifit of not having to have faith (Paul being knocked off his horse).

Originally Posted by FireFly

Judge not lest ye be judged. It not my place to agree or disagree.

+1 Respect

[calgaryrocks]

Originally Posted by FireFly

No, no it didn't. I'm going to help you by suggesting you read a book on grammar and punctuation.

haha...sounds exciting

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Azure

And you do realize Christianity is based on the teachings in the New Testament?

No christianity was founded on the Old testament. It now uses the new testament.

The reasons I took examples from the old testament was because flames85 was the first to use the old testament as a reason why christians are against homosexuality.

[flames85]

Originally Posted by Azure

No I don't contradict myself.

My agreement with gay marriage has nothing to do with religious reasons. I agree with it because it is the 'right' of Canadian citizens to marry whomever they want.

I do not have the power to take that from them.

I will never agree with it from a moral, ethical standpoint though. But you cannot disagree with gay marriage if you think the government should treat everyone fairly, and grant equal rights to all.

And yes, for the record, as long as there is no seperation between Church and State, I think marriage is a right.

those are just man-made laws, the Bible is more superior to man-made laws.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by flames85

how is it fair for you to ask me why christians such as myself don't like homosexuals, yet i can't ask you if you agree with it or not. And you should share the word of God with others, its not just about minding your own business. why doesn't everyone mind their own business and let murder's murder people, because it's a sin and it's wrong, you don't just let them get away and mind your own business!

I never asked you why Christians don't like homosexuals. I am a Christian, I know why Christians don't like homosexuality. You asked me what my personal opinion is on something that Jesus TOLD ME not to judge! How can I answer that and be a good Christian?! You're right, I should share the word of God with others. As a Christian I'm supposed to GUIDE OTHERS to Christianity, not judge them. The person who murdered someone? I'm not to judge that sin, I'm only to tell them that Jesus still loves them and also to show them love myself! That's what Jesus said! To LOVE ONE ANOTHER! You are spewing hatred and crap!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Burninator

No christianity was founded on the Old testament. It now uses the new testament.

The reasons I took examples from the old testament was because flames85 was the first to use the old testament as a reason why christians are against homosexuality.

Just so that I don't have to tell you, since you seem to be really ignorant about this subject...

Christianity is a monotheistic[1] religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament.[2]

[flames85]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Still wondering flames85.. is the bible literal fact to you?

yes. its the mis-interrpretation of others that makes things difficult.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by flames85

those are just man-made laws, the Bible is more superior to man-made laws.

I suggest you read through Romans, and study what Paul said about the government.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by flames85

yes. its the mis-interrpretation of others that makes things difficult.

Which version? NIV?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by flames85

yes. its the mis-interrpretation of others that makes things difficult.

So you think the Earth is 6,000 years old?

Realize that by agreeing to that, you completely ignore the Bible verse that points out how one day is like a million years to God.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Azure

Quit stretching it.

There is a damn difference, you just want to ignore it.

For whatever sensible reason outside of wanting to blame Christians for something they rightly don't believe, I don't know.

Well who is behind wanting to change the marriage laws back to when homosexuals couldn't become married? I don't think it's the atheists and agnostics.

[flames85]

Originally Posted by photon

I agree.. it's not an easy thing even if you read the original Hebrew and Greek (which I have done some of), I mean I've gotten in trouble with my wife's family once because I used a spanish word that meant something else in another spanish country.



"Knowing it" seems to be a pretty poor way of judging. Everyone knew that pastor from Colorado was a man of God right up until he was outed as having consorted with a gay prostitue. Even doing it biblically (judging them by their fruits) would seem to be not enough; by all accounts Haggard's church was growing, he was in a position of authority over many churches, etc..

ministers, pastors..etc. are human just like you and me, they sin too.

can i ask you if your married??

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Burninator

No christianity was founded on the Old testament. It now uses the new testament.

The reasons I took examples from the old testament was because flames85 was the first to use the old testament as a reason why christians are against homosexuality.

This is a huge misconception... The only reason Christianity is founded on the Old Testament is to show that Jesus was prophesied and is the Son of God. When he came around, all the rules changed.

Basically, The Old Testament is a bunch of rules God created so that He knew we still cared about Him. He realized however, that we were having a hard time following His rules, so He sent His Son down to check it out, and live with mankind to see just how hard it is. When He realized how hard it was, He changed the rules.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Well who is behind wanting to change the marriage laws back to when homosexuals couldn't become married? I don't think it's the atheists and agnostics.

So you want to take the right from a Canadian citizen to voice their opinion because they don't agree with what you're saying? Or what you believe?

Not everyone who is religious looks at gay marriage like I do. Trust me, my viewpoint is often ostracized.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by flames85

ministers, pastors..etc. are human just like you and me, they sin too.

can i ask you if your married??

My friend, you're addressing one of the most sane members on CP regarding religious viewpoints.

[flames85]

Originally Posted by FireFly

I never asked you why Christians don't like homosexuals. I am a Christian, I know why Christians don't like homosexuality. You asked me what my personal opinion is on something that Jesus TOLD ME not to judge! How can I answer that and be a good Christian?! You're right, I should share the word of God with others. As a Christian I'm supposed to GUIDE OTHERS to Christianity, not judge them. The person who murdered someone? I'm not to judge that sin, I'm only to tell them that Jesus still loves them and also to show them love myself! That's what Jesus said! To LOVE ONE ANOTHER! You are spewing hatred and crap!

how am i judging anyone? i am just stating what i believe is wrong. i still love everyone just as you do. how do you go about spreading the word of god to homosexuals without judging?

[photon]

Originally Posted by Azure

And you do realize Christianity is based on the teachings in the New Testament?

Ah but doesn't the New Testament say that the OT was written by good and Holy men for our instruction? Even Jesus said that until heaven and earth pass away not an iota or a dot will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

EDIT: Before that Jesus says he didn't come to destroy the law or prophets, but to fulfill. Not sure what's meant by fulfill there, but I'm sure it doesn't mean invalidate.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FireFly

This is a huge misconception... The only reason Christianity is founded on the Old Testament is to show that Jesus was prophesied and is the Son of God. When he came around, all the rules changed.

Basically, The Old Testament is a bunch of rules God created so that He knew we still cared about Him. He realized however, that we were having a hard time following His rules, so He sent His Son down to check it out, and live with mankind to see just how hard it is. When He realized how hard it was, He changed the rules.

Aye.

But Christianity, which is the belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and only through him can we receive salvation and eternal life, could not have been formed in the Old Testament, because Jesus hadn't come around yet.

It was prophesied about in the Old Testament, thats about it.

[flames85]

Originally Posted by Azure

I suggest you read through Romans, and study what Paul said about the government.

lost me, as i said before not that educated, but i do know what i believe and i don't believe in charter of rights i believe in a law more superior to that!

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by FireFly

This is a huge misconception... The only reason Christianity is founded on the Old Testament is to show that Jesus was prophesied and is the Son of God. When he came around, all the rules changed.

Basically, The Old Testament is a bunch of rules God created so that He knew we still cared about Him. He realized however, that we were having a hard time following His rules, so He sent His Son down to check it out, and live with mankind to see just how hard it is. When He realized how hard it was, He changed the rules.

Ok you are probaly right and I am sure you know more about this. But still the only reasons I brought up the old testament was because someone else did.