2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

If the Flames didn’t take a flyer on Corey Perry, the. no way they take one on Jimmy Vesey.

Still can’t believe Treliving didn’t pick up Flame killer Corey Perry. He’d be one of the top bottom 6 players on the team right now and his presence on the man advantage would be of great help to our anemic powerplay right now.

At the moment, he’d likely be hard pressed to dislodge anyone off the bottom 6. Certainly none of Backlund, Lucic, Mangiapane, or Ryan. And is he really any better than Bennett or Leivo in a bottom six role? You’re really just talking about a power play specialist, which then messes up the ES lines.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I have a sneaking suspicion Perry if dealt, will be acquired by the Oilers. Seems fitting given how much all parties involved dislike the Flames.

I’m actually equally baffled that the Oilers didn’t pick him up with their lack of scoring depth. Apparently they’d rather have a Gaetan Haas or a Patrick Russell on their roster instead.

Perry is definitely helping his team more than he’s hurting: 21-5-5-10, +7 playing bottom 6 minutes, scoring highlight reel goals at league minimum. The Flames or Oilers could honestly use his ability right now.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I’m actually equally baffled that the Oilers didn’t pick him up with their lack of scoring depth. Apparently they’d rather have a Gaetan Haas or a Patrick Russell on their roster instead.

Perry is definitely helping his team more than he’s hurting: 21-5-5-10, +7 playing bottom 6 minutes, scoring highlight reel goals at league minimum. The Flames or Oilers could honestly use his ability right now.

Perry I can get behind just due to the fact the Flames would be the biggest pain in the ass in the league to play against lol.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

At the moment, he’d likely be hard pressed to dislodge anyone off the bottom 6. Certainly none of Backlund, Lucic, Mangiapane, or Ryan. And is he really any better than Bennett or Leivo in a bottom six role? You’re really just talking about a power play specialist, which then messes up the ES lines.

21-5-5-10 +7

Plays heavy, playoff style hockey, Darryl Sutter hockey. He’s still scoring highlight reel goals, he still has a nice set of mitts and is a havoc in front of the net. It’d be like having another Matthew Tkachuk on the team. I’d take Corey Perry over Leivo, Ritchie, Simon, probably Lucic and maybe even Bennett right now. That’s just strictly on the ice, not even looking at their contracts.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Perry had let it be known that he would have retired if anyone put in a claim against him. How true that was, and how much it factored-into any GM's decision, who knows. That's what I remember hearing about when he got sent to the Taxi Squad.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Perry had let it be known that he would have retired if anyone put in a claim against him. How true that was, and how much it factored-into any GM's decision, who knows. That's what I remember hearing about when he got sent to the Taxi Squad.

I think you are mistaking Perry for Spezza unless it happened for both players.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

21-5-5-10 +7

Plays heavy, playoff style hockey, Darryl Sutter hockey. He’s still scoring highlight reel goals, he still has a nice set of mitts and is a havoc in front of the net. It’d be like having another Matthew Tkachuk on the team. I’d take Corey Perry over Leivo, Ritchie, Simon, probably Lucic and maybe even Bennett right now. That’s just strictly on the ice, not even looking at their contracts.

You’re seeing highlight reel goals because they are on the highlight reel. Montreal has room for him. But I just don’t think his game is as good as any of Calgary’s save for maybe Bennett or Leivo. Not Ritchie because he fills a need. Not Lucic because he’s just better in more areas of the game. The team right now is gelling and I’d hate to throw it out over a 35 year old guy who no one wanted.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You’re seeing highlight reel goals because they are on the highlight reel. Montreal has room for him. But I just don’t think his game is as good as any of Calgary’s save for maybe Bennett or Leivo. Not Ritchie because he fills a need. Not Lucic because he’s just better in more areas of the game. The team right now is gelling and I’d hate to throw it out over a 35 year old guy who no one wanted.

Perry is a 0.5 ppg player this year, and he had 9 in 27 playoff games for the Stars.

Wouldn’t you rather go to war in the playoffs with Corey Perry ahead of Josh Leivo? Perry has played in every big game situation you can imagine. He’s literally been on the same ice surface as Putin. He’s not going to be overwhelmed by the moment.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I think you are mistaking Perry for Spezza unless it happened for both players.

Hmm.. maybe.. but I seem to recall it being talked about like it was yesterday for some reason. You might be right.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Perry is a 0.5 ppg player this year, and he had 9 in 27 playoff games for the Stars.

Wouldn’t you rather go to war in the playoffs with Corey Perry ahead of Josh Leivo? Perry has played in every big game situation you can imagine. He’s literally been on the same ice surface as Putin. He’s not going to be overwhelmed by the moment.

Part of the reason he has all that experience is because he’s 35. And his 9 PO pts on the Stars was near the bottom of the team - Blake Comeau had 7. Just like, this year, he’s scoring at a similar pace to a bunch of guys on Montreal, who have been scoring like crazy as a team.

I think Leivo’s ceiling here is yet to be seen and he’s the only guy I can see being beaten out by Perry. I want to see what Leivo does with Sutter. Perry hasn’t played a full season in 4 years (of course, neither has Leivo). I don’t trust him as a fit in the room, his ability to stay healthy or his ability to keep up his present pace.

I liked Perry 10 years ago. I don’t really care for him now.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You’re seeing highlight reel goals because they are on the highlight reel. Montreal has room for him. But I just don’t think his game is as good as any of Calgary’s save for maybe Bennett or Leivo. Not Ritchie because he fills a need. Not Lucic because he’s just better in more areas of the game. The team right now is gelling and I’d hate to throw it out over a 35 year old guy who no one wanted.

No it was a highlight reel goal because it deserved to be one. He walked Gudbranson one on one, and deked it past the goaltender for a very slick finish. His skills might have deteriorated with age, but he’s still a very skilled power forward and a proven playoff performer. Even in a bottom 6 role he’s still very effective. It’d be like having a poor man’s Matthew Tkachuk on the 3rd or 4th line and instead of him haunting the Flames, he could be helping the Flames.

Can’t believe I didn’t include no goals or points Joakim Nordstrom, but I’d easily take Corey Perry over him too.

Can’t seem to embed, but here’s the link to his highlight reel goal. This kind of game breakers ability on the 3rd or 4th line would be a nice shot in the arm.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/8tkLYKUzwhw

[868904]

Guys on the morning show are talking about Gaudreau's struggles and the need for a better RW.

I think they should ride this Ritchie experiment a bit longer. That line is actually getting entries and possession now even when Gaudreau is struggling. Before, when Gaudreau was struggling, that line wasn't even getting entries.

Ritchie is getting possession on the dumps right now because teams are still defending a Gaudreau entry. Once the opposition starts realizing that the dump is a strong option for that line, they'll start giving Gaudreau more room for the entry.

I think Ritchie is a very good option for that line.

1) Ritchie can recover on the dumps;
2) He controls the boards;
3) He has offensive instincts;
4) He can protect those two.

Boomer suggested Mike Hoffman and I think that's a terrible idea. Flames don't need a one dimensional guy like that. Ideally, you have a guy with Ritchie's size and toughness but also speed and skill. Ferland was that and found success, but lacked consistency. If they can find someone like that, then you go for it, but otherwise, I think you keep Ritchie there.

[Psytic]

Makes us tougher to play against or at least more annoying. You could rotate him in and out as needed, cant be any worse than Simon or Nordstrom or Rinaldo. Even if he wasnt scoring at 0.5 ppg the guy would live rent free in many teams heads drawing penalties during the playoffs along with Chucky. Worth it imo.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Part of the reason he has all that experience is because he’s 35. And his 9 PO pts on the Stars was near the bottom of the team - Blake Comeau had 7. Just like, this year, he’s scoring at a similar pace to a bunch of guys on Montreal, who have been scoring like crazy as a team.

I think Leivo’s ceiling here is yet to be seen and he’s the only guy I can see being beaten out by Perry. I want to see what Leivo does with Sutter. Perry hasn’t played a full season in 4 years (of course, neither has Leivo). I don’t trust him as a fit in the room, his ability to stay healthy or his ability to keep up his present pace.

I liked Perry 10 years ago. I don’t really care for him now.

Leivo is half as productive as Perry in two more games this season because Corey Perry on his worst day is twice the hockey player Leivo is.

I’m not suggesting we bring in Perry to ride shotgun with the top line, but as the 11th or 12th forward, he’s unquestionably an upgrade over Josh Leivo (or Nordstrom or Gawdin or whomever we put there) both tangibly and intangibly.

[GioforPM]

Well, Perry’s not gonna be waived again, so the Flames (and every other team) missed out I guess.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I'm no capologist, but aren't the Flames saving quite a bit of dough by having waived Ryan, and others, over the course of the season?

For the sake of balancing cap considerations of the trade, I wonder if including a roster player (one of the three depth adds this past offseason; Lievo, Simon, Nordstrom) moves the needle much. Kylington + Simon (lets say), a 1st, and a prospect? I don't know, maybe it doesn't make sense. With some creativity, I just wonder if it can be done.

Renhart is also an RFA at years end. The intent would be to resign him. I would definitely give up Kylington for him. Kylington is behind Gio, Hanafin, Valamaki, and arguably Mackey. At the moment the Flames need a RS top 6 forward much more than a LS D.

You can check this number on www.capfriendly.com

It is Deadline Capspace, and the Flames currently sit at $1.9M, because of their waiver efforts. That means that, at the deadline, they could add a $1.9M salary. They would need to clear another $3.3M to make room for Reinhart.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, Perry’s not gonna be waived again, so the Flames (and every other team) missed out I guess.

Incidentally, Perry also makes $125k less than Leivo. Every dollar counts.

As depth additions go, we or anyone else could do a lot worse.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by I am Beast

Since Eichel in Toronto seeing a specialist, wouldn't that count towards the quarantine period?

Hmmm, If that's true cue in the conspiracy, why would a American go to Canada for a doctor under these quarantine rules?

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Part of the reason he has all that experience is because he’s 35. And his 9 PO pts on the Stars was near the bottom of the team - Blake Comeau had 7. Just like, this year, he’s scoring at a similar pace to a bunch of guys on Montreal, who have been scoring like crazy as a team.

I think Leivo’s ceiling here is yet to be seen and he’s the only guy I can see being beaten out by Perry. I want to see what Leivo does with Sutter. Perry hasn’t played a full season in 4 years (of course, neither has Leivo). I don’t trust him as a fit in the room, his ability to stay healthy or his ability to keep up his present pace.

I liked Perry 10 years ago. I don’t really care for him now.

Near the bottom? Perry was 7th among forwards on his team in PO scoring and that’s him playing in the bottom 6. I’d argue that for the role he played, he was better then Tyler Seguin despite less production. He also helped his team make the Stanley Cup finals and has been a huge thorn in the side of the Flames for seemingly forever.

I think under Ward or Sutter, Perry would’ve been an excellent role player for this team. He can be productive anywhere in the line up, has a great playoff pedigree and he’s making league minimum. I absolutely hate Corey Perry, but even I can’t deny that he would’ve been an extremely helpful player for the Flames this season.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, Perry’s not gonna be waived again, so the Flames (and every other team) missed out I guess.

Yep, that’s true. He won’t be waived again. I was upset when the Flames didn’t nab him at the time and even more so now after the horrific first half performance from our 2020 class of free agent forwards.