Brad Treliving needs to go

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There's a little bit of editorializing there.
He didn't trade a 3rd for Toni. He traded Toni for a 3rd (yuck)
He didn't trade a 2nd for Anton Stralman. He had to use the 2nd to get them to take Wayne Primeau, and then promptly traded Stralman for a third (also yuck)

Sutter's early years as a GM were strong. He then dumped quality players for bad return because they didn't fit his approach, drafted poorly and made a bunch of bad deals.

Cough cough Chucko.

[1qqaaz]

Now is the time to fire Treliving because:

-He doesn't deserve to hire another coach
-A new GM could use time to work for the team before handling the trade deadline and the draft
-The team has accomplished nothing
-It would send a message
-They have guys like Maloney and Conroy and even Snow that can temporarily step in. Moloney has experience (and was actually pretty decent all things considered). Conroy and Snow have been in the organization forever. As have Button and Sutter if I am correct.

[Firebot]

This team is not that much different versus the team that won the western conference despite having Mike ####ing Smith. But we also had a hardnosed coach in Peters

Now we have Markstrom, but we have a completely unproven Geoff Ward to take the helm of what was supposed to be a competing team.

You reserve the AHL coaches for the crap teams when you are tanking (like Eakins)

I don't blame Ward here either, who wouldn't take an NHL head coaching job on a silver platter without earning it simply because we had a racist coach while he was assistant?

This is 100% on Treliving for making the permanent hire in the first place, again not doing his due dilligence.

Under Treliving:
He had Hartley fired after winning the Jack Adams trophy, in the year that Treliving invented the 3 headed goalie monster.
He hired unproven Gulutzan while several star coaches were available purely because he bought into advanced NHL stats
He hired his buddy Peters and the Flames won the conference but lost in the first round. Turns out he's a total racist.
He hired Ward just because it's easier than getting a coach.

Treliving needs to go.

[SOMBRI2]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

Cough cough Chucko.

The moment Sutter traded Ference away, that core was done.

[Strange Brew]

Time to give someone else a chance. This is going nowhere.

[SoulOfTheFlame]

My prediction:

VAN fires Jim Benning after Ottawa catches them in the standings.

CGY fires Brad Treliving after Ottawa overtakes them in the standings.

CGY hires Jim Benning. Can't you see it? It would be SO VERY FLAMES.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Time to give someone else a chance. This is going nowhere.

It’s really that simple

Feaster gave him a team with the pieces that he could build on, the only playoff round he won was with the team he inherited.

7 years and pretty little to show for it right now.

Culture starts at the top. He says the buck stops with him.

Good. Time for one last process. The dismissal process

[TheScorpion]

I called into overtime tonight (for the first time ever!) and said the Flames' coaching and management needs to take more risks and ended by advocating for a Matthew Phillips recall.

Seriously though, how many seasons of this beautiful Gaudreau contract are the Flames going to waste by not making the necessary adjustments?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I called into overtime tonight (for the first time ever!) and said the Flames' coaching and management needs to take more risks and ended by advocating for a Matthew Phillips recall.

Seriously though, how many seasons of this beautiful Gaudreau contract are the Flames going to waste by not making the necessary adjustments?

Heard it. Good job

Yes, the Gaudreau contract has one more year, and is up when Tkachuk has to be qualified at nine (9) million

This was supposed to be the window

Frankly, the owners should be on this

[Azhouse]

Tkachuk at $9mil. Shudder

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I called into overtime tonight (for the first time ever!) and said the Flames' coaching and management needs to take more risks and ended by advocating for a Matthew Phillips recall.

Seriously though, how many seasons of this beautiful Gaudreau contract are the Flames going to waste by not making the necessary adjustments?

It's such a shame that every year since 2015 (when he brought in Schlemko and that worked out well) management has gone out and gotten worse defensemen (Grossman, Nesterov, Bartkowski, Fantenberg, Gustafsson) than the guys we have in the system (Kulak, Kylington) only to see those acquisitions look gross in big moments.

Brouwer was on the intermission today talkingabout the Senators' youth... about all the youth on those great Blackhawks teams... I don't think it's a coincidence. You gotta trust the kids in expanded roles.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It's such a shame that every year since 2015 (when he brought in Schlemko and that worked out well) management has gone out and gotten worse defensemen (Grossman, Nesterov, Bartkowski, Fantenberg, Gustafsson) than the guys we have in the system (Kulak, Kylington) only to see those acquisitions look gross in big moments.

Brouwer was on the intermission today talkingabout the Senators' youth... about all the youth on those great Blackhawks teams... I don't think it's a coincidence. You gotta trust the kids in expanded roles.

Agreed 100%

For as much flack as we give GG for being a bad coach, at least he gave the young guys a chance. Mangiapane, Rasmussen, Lazar, Kulak, Wotherspoon, Foo, Lomberg, etc were all 20-22 during his tenure and got looks in the NHL. The most ATOI that Bennett has averaged during his career was during the GG era.

Conversely, the only youngins that have played under Ward's watch are Kylington (27 games) and Yelesin (4 games)...plus the 3 games Gawdin got this season when both Backlund and Ryan were out.

Ward's refusal to trust young players is absolutely mind bottling.



Also, if Treliving isn't going to hire a veteran head coach with a proven track record, he needs to completely break the mold by hiring a young (but promising) coach like Chicago and Ottawa did, or a proven Euro coach (e.g. Gronborg or Jalonen).

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It's such a shame that every year since 2015 (when he brought in Schlemko and that worked out well) management has gone out and gotten worse defensemen (Grossman, Nesterov, Bartkowski, Fantenberg, Gustafsson) than the guys we have in the system (Kulak, Kylington) only to see those acquisitions look gross in big moments.

Brouwer was on the intermission today talkingabout the Senators' youth... about all the youth on those great Blackhawks teams... I don't think it's a coincidence. You gotta trust the kids in expanded roles.

And I think that's right to my point... instead of taking what might be a risk in giving Kylington or Kulak that rope, they've intstead opted repeatedly to spend assets on guys who are mediocre known quantities.

And that extends to other parts of the lineup, too — why Nordstrom and Robinson are playing over guys like Phillips and Philp is beyond me.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

His trading of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks is scary.

3rd rounder for Gustafson
1st, 2nd, 2nd for hamonic
3rd for smith
2nd for Lazar
3rd for stone
2nd for Elliott
1st, 2nd, 2nd for Hamilton
3rd for bollig

Compare that list to darryl sutter, who gets crucified for his use of picks in trades. Man it was fun as a fan, flames were landing some big name players in their prime there.

3rd for staois
2nd for stralman
3rd for bouwmeester rights
1st for jokinen
2nd for bourque
2nd for tanguay
1st for cammalleri (trading 2nds considered a wash here)
3rd for hale
2nd for Conroy
3rd for lydman
2nd for Nilsson
2nd for kipper

(ignoring other pieces involved in these trades)

Liquidating assets for draft picks might be one of the easiest things a GM can do. Pretty sure Treliving could acquire multiple 1st’s and 2nd’s in short order if he wanted to.

Treliving’s trading of picks is likely driven by organizational direction to make the playoffs. If trading a 3rd for defensive depth helps, you are probably going to do that.

To be fair, and in balance, you should make reference to the picks Treliving has acquired.

[Flamesfan05]

BT era has been a complete failure

We need to accept that and move on

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Liquidating assets for draft picks might be one of the easiest things a GM can do. Pretty sure Treliving could acquire multiple 1st’s and 2nd’s in short order if he wanted to.

Treliving’s trading of picks is likely driven by organizational direction to make the playoffs. If trading a 3rd for defensive depth helps, you are probably going to do that.

To be fair, and in balance, you should make reference to the picks Treliving has acquired.

You would have to do the same for Sutter. Brad has lost more picks net than Sutter did, by a fairly significant margin.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

Tkachuk at $9mil. Shudder

Does he become a UFA if they don’t qualify him? Because at the moment he is nowhere close to being a $9 million player.

The Flames are great at bringing these young players up, seeing them have an immediate impact and then seeing them stagnate at 22 or 23. It’s bizarre. Most players at that age improve as time goes on.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You would have to do the same for Sutter. Brad has lost more picks net than Sutter did, by a fairly significant margin.

Sutter drafted twice in the second round between 03-10
Treliving has drafted in the second round 7 times from 14-20

Flames only had 1 year where they didn’t draft in the 1st round under Sutter where Treliving has 2 but Treliving did trade the 15th pick in 2015 for Hamilton and 3 years later traded Hamilton for the 5th pick in 2015 so the team is only without a 2018 first rounder in the organization right now.

I don’t buy your claim at all up there so please put the work in and prove me wrong.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by madmike

Does he become a UFA if they don’t qualify him? Because at the moment he is nowhere close to being a $9 million player.

The Flames are great at bringing these young players up, seeing them have an immediate impact and then seeing them stagnate at 22 or 23. It’s bizarre. Most players at that age improve as time goes on.

They can negotiate a deal in advance, but if that doesn't get done they would have to qualify him (which then makes him a UFA 1 year later) or let him walk.

[Makarov]

Some fun facts from this season from hell:

Flames are 28th in goals scored per game (2.43). The Oilers are first at 3.59 and 4 of the top 6 teams in league are from the North Division. So, there is an argument that the Flames are actually the worst offensive team in the entire league.

The Flames are 21st in goals against per game (ie, they are in the bottom third of the league in terms of defensive success.)

Interestingly the Flames are only 18th in team save percentage. Suggests that perhaps the goaltending hasn't been as great as many presume.

Anyway, the statistics bear one thing out: this team is okay at goaltending, bad at defence, and absolutely terrible at offence.

Well done, Mr. Treliving.