2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[btimbit]

I agree that these Ottawa games will be a big tell for this team

Polar opposites right now. A team that plays loose but hard, vs a team that tries to play tight and soft.

[Poe969]

I guess thats why I'm a Flames fan...gotta love the soft and tight!

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I agree that these Ottawa games will be a big tell for this team

Polar opposites right now. A team that plays loose but hard, vs a team that tries to play tight and soft.

That Ottawa vs Habs game last night was really fast and exciting. I fear for what the Sens (never mind the Leafs) will do to us unless the Flames find where they misplaced their game.

[Heavy Jack]

If the flames do end up tanking this year which players/prospects from Montreal and Toronto would intrigue you most as those are the teams we would get the best possible returns on due to the players being traded not having to quarantine.

[Toonage]

^ Cole Caufield, but I can't see Montreal ever parting with him

[Heavy Jack]

I could if it involved one of our big names; I think Montreal would pay a premium for Sean Monahan especially if we took a big contract back.

Monahan + Kylington for Caufield + 1st + Mete + Byron

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I guess thats why I'm a Flames fan...gotta love the soft and tight!

unless you're the soft one

[showtime]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I could if it involved one of our big names; I think Montreal would pay a premium for Sean Monahan especially if we took a big contract back.

Monahan + Kylington for Caufield + 1st + Mete + Byron

I agree with Montreal being a target but not for Sean Monahan but Gaudreau. No idea what it would bring back but I'd guess Tatar then a combo of things. Would love one of their young centers.

[Heavy Jack]

Gaudreau for Tatar + Caufield + Kotkanieme + 1st?

[Jiri Hrdina]

^Terrible deal for Montreal. I think folks' expectations for a return is way too high.

[1qqaaz]

Caufield and Kotkanieme on their own are each worth more than 1.5 years of Gaudreau.
Caufield would be close IMO.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I could if it involved one of our big names; I think Montreal would pay a premium for Sean Monahan especially if we took a big contract back.

Monahan + Kylington for Caufield + 1st + Mete + Byron

Trade away a number one center and get back a collection of midgets? Yeah, just what this team needs. Get smaller.

Caufield - 5'7, 162
Mete - 5'9, 184
Byron - 5'9, 165

I think we should trade anyone over 5'10'. All your tiny people belong to us! What tiny player is available in the 2022 draft that we can blow that 1st round pick on?

[868904]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Yes, it is.

Coaching is a problem among a whole host of problems. But we are fundamentally missing high end talent in comparison with each team in this division with the exception of Ottawa.

The reason we're complaining about incomplete efforts so often? This team has lower margin for error than most because we lack the high end skill to take shifts off. The real crux of the issue is it's not like we have a roster full of hustling try-hard's either. It's a slow roster with lazy, skilled players - just not as skilled as most of their opponents.

You bring in a new coach that will scare them into some better habits in the short term and you'll see a bump in team performance, but not enough to make up for what the roster is lacking: speed, hustle, and skill

Markstrom is high end talent.

I honestly don't see how the Canadians have more high end talent than the Flames. They might have some more depth, but I don't see a drastically superior roster. What I see is a significantly superior coach there, you know the one who was head coach of the Bruins when Geoff Ward "won" his Stanley Cup ring?

[Macho0978]

In today's NHL you can tank without tanking to Detroit's or Ottawa's level. Finishing the season around .500 positions the Flames with a top 5 pick and a great shot at winning the lottery. The Flames could do this and not move out too many of the core pieces.

Right not just with Monahan or Backlund out of the lineup is causing issues with this team in the last few games. Bennett situation and Ryan being out of the lineup with 1 of our top 2 centers seems to be causing a big whole in the lineup. If the Flames continue to skid over the next 2 weeks and it does look like we will be sellers at the deadline moving out players and retaining salary for decent draft picks is our best bet to stock up our prospect pool.

Trade Ryan and retain 50% salary for a pick.

Trade 1 of Bennett or Backlund for picks

Trade Gio for picks.

Even 2 of these 3 trades would cause depth issues down the stretch and I would expect a top 8 pick at least.

We could also move out Nesterov for a pick as well and that could cause some issues.

If we want high end prospects alread drafted then we need to consider the team control of the player more because trading Gaudreau for a top end prospect and firsts probably isn't happening. Maybe a 2nd tier prospect and a first but it's almost a guarantee that we will be taking on some risk trading Gaudreau out and the return would probably be viewed as underwhelming.

I also believe Johnny if traded is more likely to go down in the off season, You could say the same for Gio or Backlund but if this team starts selling they may look at a team rebuilding and want to move for a chance at a cup.

[GioforPM]

This is a weird year to trade for picks. There is just limited draft info. On the other hand teams may be more likely to deal them for the same reason - no huge lottery prize. The top end of the draft seems D heavy, which means the player probably will be a slower impact for his team.

[Psytic]

Yea I think the Flames on paper match up against any other team in the North division. The Leafs are the only team from top to bottom that are just loaded with talent everywhere.

Oil are a two man team I dont think their depth or D or Goalie is as good. Montreal looks an awful lot like the Flames on paper but they have more heart, a better coach and faster legs.

Winnipeg looks close to me on paper to but again that team seems consistently coached and more prepared to play each night.

The Canucks Pettersson has never hits the heights Johnny has and Boeser and Horvat are a wash with Chucky and Money.

Theres no reason the Flames shouldnt be sitting tied with the Jets or Oil imo with a decent coach and a heart transplant.

Get a decent coach, get back on Hartley's "we will be the most conditioned team on the ice mantra" do some callups to infuse more speed again. Maybe even some trades for speed and compete. Coyotes hockey doesnt work in the new NHL. There's no reason this group cant be a perennial 2nd round team. Cup contender not a chance but they are underperforming for sure.

[Psytic]

And its not even a bad thing if they end up with a top 5 pick in a throw away season. Yes its the worst year as scouts havent seen players play but maybe they get some luck for once and they end up with a decent talent like another 1B center level talent.

Maybe one that uses their size and plays a good two way game and they can move Lindholm to RW permanently. They can still build out like VGK or St Louis and be successful without burning it to the ground. They just need to be solid top to bottom with a solid coach and a solid effort level. A talent swap here and there for Forsberg or something etc.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I agree that these Ottawa games will be a big tell for this team

Polar opposites right now. A team that plays loose but hard, vs a team that tries to play tight and soft.

When I watch the Flames right now, I don't see a team that isn't playing hard.

I see a team playing a system to win hockey games 2-1 even when they're already down by 2 goals. I see a team where every mistake ends up in the back of their net - or it would if not for an all-star goaltender to bail them out every night.

It's Gulutzan 2-0, but this time Ward doesn't even have the analytics to back him up.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Yea I think the Flames on paper match up against any other team in the North division. The Leafs are the only team from top to bottom that are just loaded with talent everywhere.

Oil are a two man team I dont think their depth or D or Goalie is as good. Montreal looks an awful lot like the Flames on paper but they have more heart, a better coach and faster legs.

Winnipeg looks close to me on paper to but again that team seems consistently coached and more prepared to play each night.

The Canucks Pettersson has never hits the heights Johnny has and Boeser and Horvat are a wash with Chucky and Money.

Theres no reason the Flames shouldnt be sitting tied with the Jets or Oil imo with a decent coach and a heart transplant.

Get a decent coach, get back on Hartley's "we will be the most conditioned team on the ice mantra" do some callups to infuse more speed again. Maybe even some trades for speed and compete. Coyotes hockey doesnt work in the new NHL. There's no reason this group cant be a perennial 2nd round team. Cup contender not a chance but they are underperforming for sure.

Oil depends on two guys. BUT Yamamoto becoming a decent player means they can at least ice two lines and split McDavid and Draisaitl and put Yamamoto and RNH on those two lines. That makes it way harder to play them. But they still will go only as far as their bad goaltending will take them. Koskinen and Smith are each capable of flunking out a few wins but over the season they will let them down, especially with that D.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

In today's NHL you can tank without tanking to Detroit's or Ottawa's level. Finishing the season around .500 positions the Flames with a top 5 pick and a great shot at winning the lottery.

Right now there are 8 teams with records below .500, so a .500 record right now would put you about 10th (Seattle has the 3rd best odds) and a 11.4% chance of a top 3 pick.

No one has a "great shot", as the odds of the worse team is slightly below 50%.