[PGT] Fire Ward and trade Bennett

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Poison

You are all sorts of f'd. What kind of agent talks on his clients behalf without his knowledge or any sort of consent and still works in his field afterward.
My. God.

Haha. Username checks out. Grow up

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by blender

Yes.
And there is no reason it isn't possible. Oilers do suck and Flames can certainly beat them.
Its funny because the sky is falling here for sure and its understandable because the look like ass, but they are going to win some more games this year, possibly enough to make the playoffs.
I'm getting mentally prepared for the high-tension playoff race, though.

I'm hoping and praying I wake up to Ward's firing and the team come out and beat the Oilers to pulp.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by browna

The bigger concern for Ward is that all this hot air spewed in the last days and then today by the GM, barely moved the needle for the players.

Honestly I’m not even sure Ward believes in what he’s saying. I think he’s trying to balance his good guy assistant coach persona with being more of a hard ass head coach.

He rips the team in the media after the loss to the Canucks.

Then comes out the next day and backtracks a bit softening his works from the night before - Saying he doesn’t think the guys have a character issue or that they don’t care, that they just need to be more consistent.

Then he throws one of his “fun” practices where they have music playing and are trying to have more energy.

Then after another lifeless game tonight he says it’s “A step in the right direction”

Which to me just emphasizes what he wants from this team - passive, lifeless, and low risk hockey. Work hard while just playing passive low event hockey, that’s all Ward wants.

Sure they were stronger in their own end tonight but it was a BoA with no real passion, they generated absolutely nothing offensively, he still made ridiculous coaching decisions, and in the end they still lost without really threatening the Oilers in the 3rd.

The fact that he would be happy with that performance just reinforces to me that He does not value skill or creativity at all. Just work hard, play passive, and played low event hockey.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Poison

You are all sorts of f'd. What kind of agent talks on his clients behalf without his knowledge or any sort of consent and still works in his field afterward.
My. God.

actually it happens a lot

many clients just let their agent do their job for them, and don't want to be involved

if you don't trust that your agent is the professional and knows what they are doing, why are you with them in the first place?

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by timbit

He was in glide for the last 30 feet. Not acceptable.

What would you have him do? Skate hard and post up behind the net?

[dino7c]

Leivo has 2 points, 19 in 36 games last year
Bennett has 3 points, 12 in 52 games last year

If Leivo is a tweener they probably both are

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

actually it happens a lot

many clients just let their agent do their job for them, and don't want to be involved

if you don't trust that your agent is the professional and knows what they are doing, why are you with them in the first place?

Exactly. A huge reason players get agents is because they don’t want to deal with the business side, the advocacy, etc. A lot of players aren’t savvy negotiators and likely pretty close to blindly trust their representation

[blender]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I'm hoping and praying I wake up to Ward's firing and the team come out and beat the Oilers to pulp.

Yeah, me too.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Leivo has 2 points, 19 in 36 games last year
Bennett has 3 points, 12 in 52 games last year

If Leivo is a tweener they probably both are

You’re right, maybe we do need a Leivo thread!

Or a throwing spaghetti against the wall thread , I guess

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Leivo has 2 points, 19 in 36 games last year
Bennett has 3 points, 12 in 52 games last year

If Leivo is a tweener they probably both are

Once again, you’re only using points for your argument. Bennett does more than just score. Can you say the same about Leivo?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

You’re right, maybe we do need a Leivo thread!

Point being if Leivo was benched nobody would bat an eye

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Once again, you’re only using points for your argument. Bennett does more than just score. Can you say the same about Leivo?

like be on the ice for more goals against?...both guys are very average NHLers

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Point being if Leivo was benched nobody would bat an eye

That’s your point?

About a ~minimum wage castoff ? Who has not been on the team a long time at at all and has actually not accomplished sweet #### all?

That’s the point? Lol

Sorry, friend. Not really worth anyone’s time

[dino7c]

Anyway this is pointless...some people see Bennett as a good NHLer, I don't so my opinion is going to be much different than some big Bennett backer.

And if we can't even admit he asked for a trade IDK

his agent leaked the info and he just didn't bother denying it I guess lol

[SuperMatt18]

Why are we taking about Leivo?

If Bennett was benched and we had a valid option to replace him with that would be fine.

But he was benched for Byron freaking Froese, benching anybody to give Froese more ice time should be a fireable offence.

The guy who was on the ice for 0 shots for and 8 shots against.

The guy who has yet to be on the ice for a high danger scoring chance all season

The guy who has put up 29% Corsi For and 20% expected goals for on the year.

Froese shouldn’t be anywhere near an NHL lineup, let alone playing what felt like half of the third period tonight.

But he plays the way Ward wants:

Collapse in your own zone: Check
Dump the puck in: Check
Show absolutely no offensive skill or creativity: Check

He’s the perfect Geoff Ward forward by those key criteria.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

That’s your point?

About a ~minimum wage castoff ? Who has not been on the team a long time at at all and has actually not accomplished sweet #### all?

That’s the point? Lol

Sorry, friend. Not really worth anyone’s time

Who has outscored SB over the last two seasons despite far less games. Leivo isn't in my avatar...I agree he sucks too.

[Sandman]

How come nobody is talking about the three players that were within arm's reach of PoolParty on the first goal? They just stood there like scarecrows, and watched him score right from in front of the net. Ritchie was one of them, not sure who the other 2 were. Were those three players benched?

Far worse than what Bennett did.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Point being if Leivo was benched nobody would bat an eye

You're really missing why anyone was "batting an eye".

Bennett was one of the stronger Flames in this game offensively. And his errors, which he of course made, were the sort all forwards on all teams make all the time.

If Leivo had four shots in two periods while the rest of the team's forwards finish the game with five shots total, he would not deserve to be benched either.

It's as if you didn't watch THIS game.

coaching is about reading the flow of the game during the game, not based on what someone did fifteen months ago.

Leivo had 0 shots in THIS game. In nearly double Sam Bennett's ice time.

And in THIS game, there was absolutely ZERO reason for Byron Froese to be on the ice either.

And no, being on the ice for goal events against does not mean you are having a bad game.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ for me, Bennett is a decent NHler. Good in certain situations. More so steady ones where he can get in a groove with linemates

Geoff Ward by contrast is a frigging moron whose game plan sends his team in to too many futile situations, and then whose only tool is a blender

Bennett’s not the main issue

But when people focus on it, it becomes the focus of the conversation

Ward is a lousy coach. Not smart. Prove me wrong

[WhiteTiger]

This was something I said to an online friend, 6 years ago, that I was just reminded of as I was complaining to him tonight about how the Flames don't seem to show up for the first...

I was watching the pre-game, and the tip for the Flames that came up was "The game starts at 7!". I was a bit confused until the announcer clarified that the Flames need to play better through the first and second, and stop counting on third period heroics.
Which is pretty accurate, really.