[PGT] Fire Ward and trade Bennett

[FanIn80]

I think coaches should be pressed to explain their in-game decisions. They're literally managing the readiness and performance of $100M of product on a nightly basis, and no one ever demands an explaination on how they're managing it.

What we should get.
"I noticed you put Froese out to take an offensive zone draw after coming back from a TV timeout, when you were down a goal with only two minutes left in the game. What made you believe the 13th/14th forward should have taken that faceoff instead of someone a little higher up, in terms of both skill and performance?"

What we actually get.
"Coach, isn't Johnny Gaudreau off to a great start this season? Is it a good thing when a player of his calibre produces on the scoresheet? Also, would you say that most NHL players, as a whole, are in better shape than my 57 year old uncle? Why is that?"

[Chonger]

I dont drink. But passed out drunk before the 3rd period . Thanks alcohol problems?

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[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It’s just a bad team.

Bad GM. Bad coach. Bad roster.

It is heartbreaking. This isn’t a fluke/weird stat, it just is what it is.

I don’t like this ‘throw your hands up’ approach

It starts at bad coach

Bad GM by virtue of coach, but that was one (1) decision

It’s a long term decision that has serious consequences, but make no mistake, coach is #1 on your list

[ForeverFlameFan]

I was willing to give Ward a long leash.

Not anymore. Not putting Bennett out there and giving Froese and Leivo shifts over him is inexcusable.

For both Bennett’s and our own sanity as Flames fans, trade Bennett so we can finally out to rest that he was mismanaged here.

[Aeneas]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Whether he busted his ass or glided, this is what I see when the play was at its most dangerous:



At that moment, the optics of whether he was skating at 110% or glided.. are just that - OPTICs.

I am not defending Bennett's read or effort there, but at the end of the day, if you backcheck well enough for the odd man rush to look like this, I don't think you should not be given another shift, especially when you literally finish the night with the most shots on your entire team even strength, despite missing an entire period.

If you want an idea of a truly poor effort on that play? There was a forward in the D zone (Lucic?) who went off the ice for a line change while the Oilers had full possession of the puck. I'm willing to bet that forward got shifts in the rest of the game.






He looked no less engaged than Hanifin, Valimaki, Lucic, Dube?

Lucic just came on. It was Tkachuk who skated to the bench.

[Enoch Root]

did Bennett coast in from the blueline? yes

do forwards do this on just about every shift of every game around the league? yes

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, he did glide all the way in. And didn't even really look for a player. Did he look engaged in the play to you?

Did tkachuck look engaged in the play on the fourth goal last game? This coach only has the teeth when it's a player that he expects he won't have to look in the eye in the future. He wants to be everyone's mentor rather than their boss. I've never enjoyed watching the flames less than with this crap slow play no score hockey. I thought that GG was the bottom of the barrel and we were now free, I guessed wrong.

When Peters first came here we played fast paced Vegas type hockey and it worked and was fun to watch. Then we changed or system and slowed things up and forced seven three foot passes to exit the zone. I like most of what Tre has done but now I think that he is the reason why our coaches insist on this play perfect boring ass crap hockey.

No identity no direction no fun. Hire someone with some GD teeth.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

did Bennett coast in from the blueline? yes

do forwards do this on just about every shift of every game around the league? yes

he also did nothing when he finally got there...

then there is the whole 3 points and asking for a trade. Guy shouldn't be playing IMO

[GioforPM]

I think all these things can be true:

Bennett glided and generally didn’t try hard, and also read the play badly.
It wasn’t the main reason for the goal. But it wasn’t a good look.
It probably wasn’t bench worthy unless (and I keep saying this) it’s something that he’s been told to do repeatedly and ignored.
Tkachuk is also playing badly.
Stars get benched way less than role players. Welcome to the NHL.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Chingas

Did tkachuck look engaged in the play on the fourth goal last game? This coach only has the teeth when it's a player that he expects he won't have to look in the eye in the future. He wants to be everyone's mentor rather than their boss. I've never enjoyed watching the flames less than with this crap slow play no score hockey. I thought that GG was the bottom of the barrel and we were now free, I guessed wrong.

When Peters first came here we played fast paced Vegas type hockey and it worked and was fun to watch. Then we changed or system and slowed things up and forced seven three foot passes to exit the zone. I like most of what Tre has done but now I think that he is the reason why our coaches insist on this play perfect boring ass crap hockey.

No identity no direction no fun. Hire someone with some GD teeth.

Name a coach other than Torts who benches a star player.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Chingas

Did tkachuck look engaged in the play on the fourth goal last game? This coach only has the teeth when it's a player that he expects he won't have to look in the eye in the future. He wants to be everyone's mentor rather than their boss. I've never enjoyed watching the flames less than with this crap slow play no score hockey. I thought that GG was the bottom of the barrel and we were now free, I guessed wrong.

When Peters first came here we played fast paced Vegas type hockey and it worked and was fun to watch. Then we changed or system and slowed things up and forced seven three foot passes to exit the zone. I like most of what Tre has done but now I think that he is the reason why our coaches insist on this play perfect boring ass crap hockey.

No identity no direction no fun. Hire someone with some GD teeth.

I won't disagree with the other stuff but Tkachuk was crosschecked in the back and hurt not just being lazy

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

he also did nothing when he finally got there...

then there is the whole 3 points and asking for a trade. Guy shouldn't be playing IMO

he went to the far post, the play didn't come there

as for your second statement, not only have you posted this dozens of times already, but it's also been explained to you multiple times that he didn't ask for a trade.

but you keep doing you

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Name a coach other than Torts who benches a star player.

Julien and Muller have done it to Gallagher.

Quennville has done it to Huberdeau.

Yes, good coaches do it to star players. No, it is not exclusive to Torts.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

he went to the far post, the play didn't come there

as for your second statement, not only have you posted this dozens of times already, but it's also been explained to you multiple times that he didn't ask for a trade.

but you keep doing you

Yes he did, agents just don't randomly say stuff like this

Far post for what? the guy who scored skated right past him quit being an apologist.

Name another player with 3 or less points that would be headline news if benched for a period. GL

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think all these things can be true:

Bennett glided and generally didn’t try hard, and also read the play badly.
It wasn’t the main reason for the goal. But it wasn’t a good look.
It probably wasn’t bench worthy unless (and I keep saying this) it’s something that he’s been told to do repeatedly and ignored.
Tkachuk is also playing badly.
Stars get benched way less than role players. Welcome to the NHL.

Also
Most Flames coaching hires are based on hope rather than likelihood of success

[RedHawk12]

I actually don't think Bennett's play on that goal was that bad. It just looks bad because he is gliding. At some point you gotta slow down, take a look and make a read. Can't be head down full throttle all the time. Was Haas even his guy?

Edit: with that being said, if you disrupt the room by publically asking for a trade and have 3 points on the season, your leash will be pretty short.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Name another player with 3 or less points that would be headline news if benched for a period. GL

Name another player who was benched for a period and still literally finished the game leading his team in (ES) shots on goal and expected goals.

People are frustrated because shots on goal lead to chances. Whether that's a chance in the back of the net, or a rebound, or a tired opponent icing the puck, etc.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Julien and Muller have done it to Gallagher.

Quennville has done it to Huberdeau.

Yes, good coaches do it to star players. No, it is not exclusive to Torts.

Julien coached to a 31-31-8 record. Coached really strong Bruins teams to out of the playoffs. I admit he’s doing well this year but I haven’t considered him to be a good coach for years.

Quenneville may be the best coach in the league so yeah.

But 2 examples doesn’t really a trend make.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I won't disagree with the other stuff but Tkachuk was crosschecked in the back and hurt not just being lazy

He was checked out for the whole game. It is a major red flag for me as I never thought that he would ever give less than an honest effort. It points to major issues in the room imo.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Name a coach other than Torts who benches a star player.

Pretty sure Barzal has been benched by Trotz a couple times, and Trotz also benched Ovi once if I remember correctly