With 27 points.... McDavid leads the league in points (16 EVP)... and he is still -1 in plus minus.... when I watch him.... he's lazy getting back, and that's a problem.
This would drive me crazy. I see him chasing puck carriers and think "how is that guy getting away from the fastest guy in the league, and he's not even having to carry the puck"? It's one thing for a guy like Gaudreau who's small, has a short reach and is not that fast a skater to be poor defensively. McDavid has no excuse.
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Bad news - he's 3rd highest scoring winger on the Flames (tied with Mangiapane (and Dube has one less but in 3 fewer games).
Here is another way of looking at it: Lucic is one of eight forwards who are scoring at a rate of 0.5 pts/gp. There are five forwards scoring at the same rate in Edmonton: James Neal is not among them, and las night was the second time he has been scratched in the last four games.
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This would drive me crazy. I see him chasing puck carriers and think "how is that guy getting away from the fastest guy in the league, and he's not even having to carry the puck"? It's one thing for a guy like Gaudreau who's small, has a short reach and is not that fast a skater to be poor defensively. McDavid has no excuse.
Yes he does. McDavid, for all his hype, is not that fast.
He can get good speed once he's moving, but his first 2-3 steps are staggeringly average.
His real talent is being able to make a play at that speed. And that takes a lot of skill.
I wish guys like Robyn Regehr were still in the League, because McDavid getting up to speed and going wide is basically paint for the boards.
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This would drive me crazy. I see him chasing puck carriers and think "how is that guy getting away from the fastest guy in the league, and he's not even having to carry the puck"? It's one thing for a guy like Gaudreau who's small, has a short reach and is not that fast a skater to be poor defensively. McDavid has no excuse.
He also has no problem crashing through traffic when he has the puck, but when he doesn't have it, he plays like he doesn't want to get his clothes dirty. He has fewer hits/60 min. than Yamamoto for crying out loud. So far this season, he is 330th overall among forwards in takeaways/60 min. as well, which I think is a good indicator of how engaged he has been when not having the puck. He is only ahead of 4th liners (and Kassian) on his team.
And before anyone mentions it, he is ahead of Gaudreau this season in that stat, but Gaudreau isn't touted as the best player in the world.
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This would drive me crazy. I see him chasing puck carriers and think "how is that guy getting away from the fastest guy in the league, and he's not even having to carry the puck"? It's one thing for a guy like Gaudreau who's small, has a short reach and is not that fast a skater to be poor defensively. McDavid has no excuse.
His excuse is he has to save his energy for his six minute shifts at the end of the game.
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I wish guys like Robyn Regehr were still in the League, because McDavid getting up to speed and going wide is basically paint for the boards.
But, but, but... Right-Of-Way!!
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I’m always amazed these sportscasters and announcers can call the game with McDavid’s **** in their mouths all the time.
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The ratio:
World-renowned skills coach Darryl Belfry did a study comparing the crossover to stride ratio:
Top 25 NHL players crossover once every four strides
Average third- or fourth-line NHL players crossover once every 12 to 14 strides
The idea of blinding speed is too predictable, this is why Dube hasn’t blown the doors off anyone like he did against Dallas in the olayoffs. He needs more deception.
If McDavid tried to beat Regehr wide Robyn would angle and read him then wall paper him. His elusiveness is built when he cuts to the middle or uses that as a threat to bleed gaps to blow through.
But I think you’re right. He doesn’t have defensive awareness and the ability to make quick reactive movements to break up plays, on top of being preoccupied with blowing the zone early.
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He also has no problem crashing through traffic when he has the puck, but when he doesn't have it, he plays like he doesn't want to get his clothes dirty. He has fewer hits/60 min. than Yamamoto for crying out loud. So far this season, he is 330th overall among forwards in takeaways/60 min. as well, which I think is a good indicator of how engaged he has been when not having the puck. He is only ahead of 4th liners (and Kassian) on his team.
And before anyone mentions it, he is ahead of Gaudreau this season in that stat, but Gaudreau isn't touted as the best player in the world.
Superfluous and duplicative statement.
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Apologies if already posted — I stumbled across this article about the ridiculous 6-minute shift to end the game on Saturday and thought it was funny:
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But six?! This is asking a quarter horse to run a mile and a half. It’s a triathlon...after you’ve spent an hour trying to get the kids to bed. It is the height of ridiculousness. It’s simply unheard of. Which makes it the height of “Edmonton Oilers,.” who specialize in the unheard of when it comes to desperation.
Both McDavid and Draisaitl ended up playing over 27 minutes for the game, which would be a lot for a defenseman. The Oilers and coach Dave Tippett would tell you they were down two goals, had a power play, and a timeout, so might as well ride them as long as you can until they fall over. Which doesn’t come close to justifying it.
This is the kind of thing you’d do trying to stave off elimination in the playoffs. In the first quarter of a regular season that isn’t even a normal regular season? With a game in Ottawa just two days later? SIX MINUTES?!
It’s the lever you pull when you look down the bench and see only Stryper tribute band members and Jim Rose Circus rejects. Nothing illustrates the Oilers better. That and that they didn’t score and lost anyway.
"This was the 1950s," Kingston said. "Nurmi had been an influence on Zatopek, and Zatopek's focus was all on speed play for training – go hard and then rest. That had an impact on all of us. In 1967, Clare and I talked about how to apply that to hockey – and that shifts had to change and shorten. You'd go hard and then you'd rest.
"But it was light-years before it ever came to the NHL. In '67, I'd become a short-shift guy because I'd seen that from my own interval training. You do shorter intervals and you recover faster. Now, is the optimum shift 25 to 30 seconds? Is the optimum 30 to 45 seconds? For sure the optimum is a lot less than two minutes, or a minute and a half, which is where it was in the late 1950s."
Teaching NHLers the value of shorter shifts proved problematic, and Bowman said that when he moved on to Buffalo from Montreal, he developed a tactic to make the point to his players.
"We used to scrimmage a lot more then than they do now," he said. "I had a football horn and a stopwatch. I used to go as close to a minute as possible. At 50 seconds, I'd blow the horn to let them know they'd been on for 50 seconds and the next chance you get to change, take it. If they didn't change, I'd blow the whistle and stop the play and say, 'We're already at a minute [and] 10, and you're not even close to getting off.' For me, the shorter shifts came in the 1980s."
That moment came in February of 1994. Frustrated with Kovalev’s habit of staying out too long on shifts — a notorious superstar move that always drives coaches crazy — Keenan decided that the situation called for extreme measures. So with roughly five minutes left in the second period and the Russian youngster at the end of one of his typically elongated shifts, the coach decided to send a message. When Kovalev came to the bench, Keenan wouldn’t let him sit down, sending him right back out onto the ice. Then he did it again. He kept doing it for the rest of the period, refusing to let Kovalev come off for a rest until the horn sounded.
This was back before we had official time-on-ice stats, so the true length of the shift is up for debate. The official NHL video of the incident calls it five minutes, while most Ranger fans seem to remember it being more like seven, and Keenan recalls it as being closer to 10. At this point, we might as well go ahead and round it up to a full period.
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But I think you’re right. He doesn’t have defensive awareness and the ability to make quick reactive movements to break up plays, on top of being preoccupied with blowing the zone early.
I think it’s worse than that. It’s not purely an ability thing. It’s simply because he lacks the maturity and leadership to want to play defensively. I imagine by the time he figures it out, he will be past his peak prime.
Here is another way of looking at it: Lucic is one of eight forwards who are scoring at a rate of 0.5 pts/gp. There are five forwards scoring at the same rate in Edmonton: James Neal is not among them, and las night was the second time he has been scratched in the last four games.
Yup. The Flames have played way less games and not against Ottawa. That counts.
And even against Ottawa they deserved to lose two of those games and probably would have if Ottawa had a shooter tutor in net.
Honestly a shooter tutor would have been better than Hogberg was in the game against the Oilers. I've never seen a goalie move out of the way and lose his net as poorly has Hogberg did in those games.
Ottawa should be investigated for intentionally tanking if they keep putting him out there.
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