Apparently, McDavid is supposed to have the 'right of way' here...
The statement that they kept saying was that the trip changed his approach angle to the net and he originally would not have gone into Markstrom. On that, I call BS. After watching that clip many times, how he avoids the blue paint would have been a miracle. He was going full tilt and his angle was pretty much apparent.
I figure he was hoping for a goal and then no penalty for taking out our goalie would have been called.
Unfortunately for him, he forgot about a little thing called defence and that can ruin your plans. Tanev went for the puck and hit that first. Not his fault that your careless and tripped over his stick. Just how i see it.
Be interesting to know the full full icetime breakdown for the greasers for the last 6min of that game. There must have been a dozen players stapled to the bench and a few others who saw about a minute. Imagine being one of the large majority of players on the team that the coach doesn't trust on the ice at a critical point in the game.
McDavid has already suffered two significant injuries due to his speed. At some point he's going to have to be less reckless otherwise he's going to have more of those types of injuries.
Stamkos learned that lesson, seems McDavid hasn't yet. Hopefully it clicks in for him before something serious happens.
I don't understand why Oiler fans seem to think the other team is supposed to just allow him to pass unimpeded
I don't think any of the officials could possibly have noticed the trip by Giordano on McDavid in real time, but I also wonder if they were determined about the goaltender interference call just on the basis of how dangerous that play is. It's great for McDavid that he can skate like that, but the way I look at it, he should also be expected to shoulder the responsibility for that gift, and to suffer the consequences when he badly endangers everyone else with it.
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The statement that they kept saying was that the trip changed his approach angle to the net and he originally would not have gone into Markstrom. On that, I call BS. After watching that clip many times, how he avoids the blue paint would have been a miracle. He was going full tilt and his angle was pretty much apparent.
I figure he was hoping for a goal and then no penalty for taking out our goalie would have been called.
Unfortunately for him, he forgot about a little thing called defence and that can ruin your plans. Tanev went for the puck and hit that first. Not his fault that your careless and tripped over his stick. Just how i see it.
Yup...he was gonna smoke Markstrom one way or the other and he was doing it on purpose.
Simple answer to that whole hypothetical they were trying to arrive at?
Physics.... stupid.
It would have been much worse had he gone in standing up.
If he tries it again...i hope the dmen take his feet out if thats what it comes down to. Have to protect the G. Eventually he will stop.
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[QUOTE=Red;7728592]Great, thank you? But you have chosen the oddest place to say that. It's a hockey forum where we discuss hockey, not posters.
And to bring it on topic, yes I do have an issue with Monahan. IMO he is a big reason why this team can't compete in the playoffs. Slow, soft and disengaged.
That's my take on the guy. Last night he and the rest of the top line were invisible until the 3rd period.
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You’re right, sorry to make it personal. It just became nauseating to me reading your posts.
I’m going to flex my ignore card for the first time ever now.
I'm not gonna bother going through replays to confirm this but I suspect that McAvi has a fairly high conversion rate on that particular move once he's gotten around the defender, possibly in the 1/3rd range like a normal breakaway or shootout. compare that to the low percentage of success when he tries to utilize his plug wingers and I can see why he's compelled to try it so frequently.
I did though replay some Mackinnon rushes just to see what another player with glitch speed does, and the difference is that he actually uses his wrister from various distances, rather than always going for the tuck in or flip right at the blue paint like McAvi does. that's why there's no highlights of MacK bowling into the goalie/post/net.
I never really complain about Cassie. I do find her more insightful than Charlie Simmer - perhaps just as repetitive at times, but she does do a better job of breaking down some things than Charlie did, which was 100% related to moving your feet, or not moving your feet. Cassie seems to bring different things to the discussion. I don't think she is particularly strong or engaging, and I do think that she has been improving, but is undeserving of the usual complaints.
However, last night I thought she was awful. I did a lot of eye-rolls listening to her. It was just over-the-top. We all know who McDavid is by now. How about discussing what the other team is doing against him? How about bringing up how Backlund is playing so well against McDavid, instead of bringing up how disciplined McDavid is for not retaliating? No, McDavid is and never was "unstoppable" - He has had plenty of outings against the Flames where he didn't register a point, and outside of skating exceptionally fast, did absolutely nothing else of note. Bring him up when he does something wonderful (which is often enough usually), but sing his praises ALL GAME LONG when his line is getting out-played.
As for the Flames, only Markstrom really showed up ready to play, thankfully. That's an awful habit that the Flames have been showing most of this season.
Backlund was a stud tonight. Really helped to contain McDavid. I was really worried that McDavid would have much more success since Brodie (who is usually tasked against McDavid) is no longer in Calgary. I thought it was fine, and his goal had much more to do with Calgary having a bit of a breakdown defensively than not having strong enough defensive players to match-up against him. Backlund was the 1st star last night.
Markstrom weathered the storm in the first period, and came up big at other times as well. Not a bad goal, and stopped a few really dangerous chances during the moments when the Flames seemed to be running around defensively.
I liked the quicker transition in the game for the Flames. I liked how they were mostly solid defensively and supported one another, and were able to transition at times faster than we have been seeing them do it. I am sure partly it is because the Oilers are just incredibly inept defensively as a team, but the Flames were actively looking to move the puck quicker last night I thought. Good on them.
That penalty on McDavid should have been called. Sure, you can call that tripping on top of it - I wouldn't complain much - but that is 100% the right call on McDavid. Does he think everyone is going to get out of his way? There was no room to cut-in without running Markstrom over. That's a dangerous play - both for himself and for the goalie. He has already been injured being an idiot in that manner. I was hoping Markstrom would have punched him with the blocker on to knock some sense into him. With or without the trip, it is 100% a dangerous play where the goalie is going to get run over, and good on the refs for calling it.
I disagree with the posters saying that Bennett didn't add much to the top line - I felt he made smart passes out there, and hustled back on defence. That one goal against when Bennett got the backhand shot off and the play came the other way - no fault on Bennett there. He wasn't a 'star' out there, but he was good. Even the goal he scored nobody seemed to mention that it wasn't too easy (even if he himself said it was a tap-in in the post game show). He saw the play developing, and you can see him coming fast with his stick on the ice already, ready for the shot, and he connected well. Sorry, but Simon, Nordstrom, and Leivo aren't doing that - they would have gone along the boards waiting for the cycle play. That took some offensive hockey sense. I thought he made some great plays defensively as well. Was he 'great'? No, but he was good, and he was solid all game. That's all the Flames need him to be - that's all the Flames need someone on that line to be. Lindholm was the best winger on that line for a season, but that chemistry just kind of fell off a cliff somehow. Ferland was consistently good there (for the most part) because he fit that line. Same goes for Hudler. You have to be smart, preferably a bit physical so you can dig pucks out, and be a decent 2-way player. Bennett fits that, and he had a good game.
One thing that I have noticed a lot this season which is annoying me is how many players are avoiding hits. Yes, if you can, avoid getting hit because it is going to wear you down and perhaps cause an injury. However, too many times this season so far I have seen players who can win the race to the puck pull up and allow the opposing player to reach it first, and it sometimes ends up as an unnecessary turnover, sometimes leading to sustained pressure by the opposing team and occasionally a goal against. I haven't seen anyone else posting about it, but it is something that I noticed and it is starting to bother me. No, they shouldn't be sacrificing their bodies on every meaningless play, but the races that they seem able to win, I notice them pulling up at times. Happens a few times a game.
I thought everyone mostly had a solid 40 minutes (again, start on time! lol). 1-3rd lines were great. Nordstrom was careless tonight, especially on the Koskinen penalty (definitely a huge flop of a dive, but most goalies will do that 10/10 times, and it gets called anyway). Rinaldo and Froese were just 'there'. I noticed a couple of good hits by Rinaldo, but that's about it. Their minutes were pulled back, and that's ok.
I do think that the Flames should always dress Rinaldo (and/or Ritchie) for these games as we all know how chippy they can become. Limit their minutes, and they are just there if they are needed. In the post-game show, Lucic was talking about how the Flames feed off of Rinaldo's energy, and that last season they fed off of it all the time. Sounds like Rinaldo is a guy you want around your team and in the room, but yeah, you need to limit his minutes when he does get inserted.
I criticized Ward heavily. I will criticize him for not managing to get this team ready to play it seems (I always think that's the coaches' responsibility - if the players aren't ready to play, they should get benched for stretches just like Darryl did to Jarome and Conroy). He needs to manage that a bit better IMO. However, the transition seemed better today. As I said earlier, it seemed like the Flames were looking to counter-attack quicker, and it paid-off. A bit scrambly at times on coverage in their own zone, but for the most part, I thought they defended well, and when they didn't, the Oilers seemed to capitalize. Markstrom didn't have to stand on his head for the Flames to win.
I thought Lindholm was effective this game. Dube was excellent, Mangiapane was great too. Lucic had a great game all over the ice, and it was nice to see him score against Edmonton, especially with Neal on the ice looking on.
Great win. Backlund mentioned that the Flames needed to play with a bit more swagger, and I thought that they did in the 2nd and 3rd periods. Hopefully they can continue playing with that swagger more often. Winnipeg is going to be difficult to match-up against with Scheifele-Dubois-Stastny-Lowry. Will be interesting to see how Ward manages the bench and matches-up the lines. I am optimistic that he will figure something out, and hopefully he can continue to get the Flames to play a quicker-counter-attack style when they are defending.
Also, I am not sure how people watch the game, but I felt Monahan was very noticeable at both ends of the ice, as was Gaudreau (he has been MUCH better defensively). That whole line (including Bennett) were strong defensively overall, and were really strong on the transition. That goal-against to Puljujarvi was more difficult to contain as it was just a really fast counter-attack as well, but overall they should be shown more accolades their way for their defensive work.
If they get it together now and start playing in every period, this team has the ability to places this year!
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Yup...he was gonna smoke Markstrom one way or the other and he was doing it on purpose.
Simple answer to that whole hypothetical they were trying to arrive at?
Physics.... stupid.
It would have been much worse had he gone in standing up.
If he tries it again...i hope the dmen take his feet out if thats what it comes down to. Have to protect the G. Eventually he will stop.
Yep, that's what makes the whole 'right of way' garbage they were talking about last night so silly. He's either going to cut in and score or wipe your goalie right out. Neither is acceptable. If he's going to go a million miles an hour sharply to your net, you take him out. The d-men have no choice. Same for any other player.
However, last night I thought she was awful. I did a lot of eye-rolls listening to her. It was just over-the-top. We all know who McDavid is by now. How about discussing what the other team is doing against him? How about bringing up how Backlund is playing so well against McDavid, instead of bringing up how disciplined McDavid is for not retaliating? No, McDavid is and never was "unstoppable" - He has had plenty of outings against the Flames where he didn't register a point, and outside of skating exceptionally fast, did absolutely nothing else of note. Bring him up when he does something wonderful (which is often enough usually), but sing his praises ALL GAME LONG when his line is getting out-played.
That is exactly what made it more annoying than usual. I mean sure, he is a great player and he is going to have great moments during the game, but he wasn't the best player on the ice last night over the course of the game. You wouldn't realize that based on how much they go on and on about him. They want so badly for him to be the best player 100% of the time, so when he isn't, they have to pretend that he is.
I actually would have been fine if a tripping call was called on McDavid in addition to his penalty, but he was running the goalie regardless. If a player is making a run at the goalie, they should expect to get impeded.
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McDavid isnt going to last to the end of this contract if he doesnt change his game or demand a trade.
The number of high-danger, high-risk plays he makes is insane.
And I dont mean that in terms of 'Goal Scoring' I mean that one day a defenceman who doesnt care about his nameplate is going to smoke the hell out of him.
I dont like McDavid. I hate the Oilers. But I dont want to see him hurt or anything. But that guy plays a very, very dangerous game. I can clearly see why he sat down on Mr. Katz's black leather couch and took his money.
There are bad things in store for him in the future.
And that's taking into consideration the fact that he's locked into Edmonton and lives in 'The Void' from 2001: A Space Odyssey.
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I'm really liking Johnny's commitment to D. Sure, he's not the guy to crash and bang, but he's been more than willing to backcheck, chase and harass this season, get into the corners (without getting schmeared on the boards) and dig the puck free to assist the defencemen. This is a good thing. Last night it helped to buy him a goal.
Thought that last six minutes was a blast! The Flames were a bit on their heels but they gave the Greasers nothing. A bunch of shots, not too many of which were dangerous. Great work.
