2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I wish I could, alas, I do not know him.

I am guessing from your internet bluff charge and huffing and puffing you wouldn't show up if I could though.

Haha you’re the one who started with the my dad can beat up your dad insinuations. It was your internet bluff charge. I’m laughing over here. Hufffing and puffing. Geez

I don’t think monohan is a gritty nor a hard player to play against. You say “ but he would lay a licking on you”.

I criticized a player on a professional team. You, another fan, instead of replying to my critiques say he could “beat me up”. Rich

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

At what? A physical altercation? You know nothing about me. Make it happen then big man. Set it up. We can take bets with all proceeds going to the therapy for the monohan fans who seem to be hurt by my suggestions.

This is pathetic. Anyways, although Monahan isn't as physical as Bennett doesn't really matter - he's not soft though. Do you think it is easy to score from the slot in the NHL? Do you think guys just let you walk in to that spot and wait for an opportunity?

I think Bennett being our best playoff performer is less about Bennett's untapped potential and more an indictment of the team. If a 3rd line fwd is your best player in the playoffs, you've got some problems.

I also don't buy that Bennett has been developed poorly. He's had ample opportunity. I've never seen Bennett do something on the ice where I thought to myself "Wow, that guy has a high level of skill and IQ". He's tough, he hits and at times he's a hound on the puck and is very noticeable. However, when Dube and Mangiapane were playing their way up the lineup they would routinely do things that you'd see and think to yourself: "Whoa, this kid has some skill" or "Wow, that was a very smart play"... I honestly can't recall thinking that with Bennett.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This is just patently, blatantly false. Sam Bennett has not been "snake bit" for four years. He is a below average scoring forward who can make useful contributions in other aspects of the game, and that is about it.

Sure I agree with your latter assessment. Yet I don’t think he’s done developing. I have given examples of other late blooming players. I don’t know why similar comparisons don’t fit. Perhaps it’s due to his draft pedigree. I still think time is on his side.

I just don’t want them to trade him in the division. He would head hunt our players with murderous and odious results.

[PepsiFree]

I think any time someone criticizes a player, they should have to fight them.

Which is why I am now reserving all of my criticisms for Matthew Phillips.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think any time someone criticizes a player, they should have to fight them.

Which is why I am now reserving all of my criticisms for Matthew Phillips.

Careful now, Ziggy is gonna start criticizing Lucic, cause he's TAF.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

Uh not true at all. If anything the guy has compete and physicality. He can drive the net. He generates more high danger chances on his own without a guy like Johnny. He may be snake bit. But give him the leash they give monny and he probably blossoms faster.

Wut? This just isn't true, if it was he wouldn't be bouncing on the third and fourth line. He doesn't have high end offensive skill, in the playoffs he creates chances by mucking it up.

I get why people like Bennett, he uses his size and isn't afraid to play the body but he hasn't been able to put it all together. He still tries a toe drag and loses the puck every other game. Maybe if he simplifies his game and crashes the net then he will start being more productive.

He also needs to find a way to not take stupid ozone penalties. I have not looked it up but I would wager he is one of the worst in the league for them, not just the Flames but the league. Hard for a coach to trust him if he puts the team on the PK regularly.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

Sure I agree with your latter assessment. Yet I don’t think he’s done developing. I have given examples of other late blooming players. I don’t know why similar comparisons don’t fit. Perhaps it’s due to his draft pedigree. I still think time is on his side.

I just don’t want them to trade him in the division. He would head hunt our players with murderous and odious results.

From the Athletic: "Among past players aged 23-25 closest to Bennett's statistical profile, there are 87 players that are strong matches, and only 12 went on to become top-six forwards. Despite his pedigree, Bennett's chances of becoming something more look slim."

So although it is possible he develops more, I don't think time is on his side at all. And the smart money would be that Bennett is what he is: A physical, 3rd liner.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

I criticized a player on a professional team. You, another fan, instead of replying to my critiques say he could “beat me up”. Rich

Your post kind of invited this sort of response by its sheer ridiculousness.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Originally Posted by VilleN

This is pathetic. Anyways, although Monahan isn't as physical as Bennett doesn't really matter - he's not soft though. Do you think it is easy to score from the slot in the NHL? Do you think guys just let you walk in to that spot and wait for an opportunity?

I think Bennett being our best playoff performer is less about Bennett's untapped potential and more an indictment of the team. If a 3rd line fwd is your best player in the playoffs, you've got some problems.

I also don't buy that Bennett has been developed poorly. He's had ample opportunity. I've never seen Bennett do something on the ice where I thought to myself "Wow, that guy has a high level of skill and IQ". He's tough, he hits and at times he's a hound on the puck and is very noticeable. However, when Dube and Mangiapane were playing their way up the lineup they would routinely do things that you'd see and think to yourself: "Whoa, this kid has some skill" or "Wow, that was a very smart play"... I honestly can't recall thinking that with Bennett.

I have seen numerous instances where his natural skill gets him into a high danger chance that he just couldn’t finish. Also earlier in his career he would take bad penalties and I feel this would routinely see him punished by sitting him or playing him with bad line mates. Bennett’s never gets consistent power play time. I think the organization has just botched his development in favour of the chemistry that Johnny and monny allegedly have. You have your opinion and I have mine. The amount of Personal shots coming from the monohan crowd is indicative of his play. He can’t acquit himself so others have to fight his battles.

And monohan and his ability to score from the slot. Where does he do that most often? On the power play and in over time. He isn’t going to the slot that often. He can’t get there with his lack of wheels. He isn’t doing it versus tough defensive teams.

Eat bread doesn’t look good on the top line either. Dube does but he’s proving fragile.

I watch Bennetts game a lot. He has moments where he shows high level skill only to be thwarted by a good save. He’s a player. I prefer his game to monohans. No need for insults.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Your post kind of invited this sort of response by its sheer ridiculousness.

What’s ridiculous about my post? I like Bennett’s game better than monohan?

Yeah ridiculous is that there are two seasons in hocke y which aren’t mutually exclusive I get. You need a good regular season to get to the playoffs. And a bad playoffs makes a good regular season seem cheap.

Look at when the flames lost to the avalanche? They were second in the nhl and first evicted from the playoffs.

I just think our coaching staff being married to Johnny and monny as play drivers is a product of the stinginess of our management to not hire good nhl caliber coaches.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

I have seen numerous instances where his natural skill gets him into a high danger chance that he just couldn’t finish. Also earlier in his career he would take bad penalties and I feel this would routinely see him punished by sitting him or playing him with bad line mates. Bennett’s never gets consistent power play time. I think the organization has just botched his development in favour of the chemistry that Johnny and monny allegedly have. You have your opinion and I have mine. The amount of Personal shots coming from the monohan crowd is indicative of his play. He can’t acquit himself so others have to fight his battles.

And monohan and his ability to score from the slot. Where does he do that most often? On the power play and in over time. He isn’t going to the slot that often. He can’t get there with his lack of wheels. He isn’t doing it versus tough defensive teams.

Eat bread doesn’t look good on the top line either. Dube does but he’s proving fragile.

I watch Bennetts game a lot. He has moments where he shows high level skill only to be thwarted by a good save. He’s a player. I prefer his game to monohans. No need for insults.

Well, I guess we'll see what Bennett turns into when he gets traded. I have a feeling we won't regret it.

Also, I didn't insult you because of your opinion on Monahan. I said it was pathetic that you had to pretend to be tough on the internet because someone said a professional athlete could beat you up.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

What’s ridiculous about my post? I like Bennett’s game better than monohan?

Yeah ridiculous is that there are two seasons in hocke y which aren’t mutually exclusive I get. You need a good regular season to get to the playoffs. And a bad playoffs makes a good regular season seem cheap.

Look at when the flames lost to the avalanche? They were second in the nhl and first evicted from the playoffs.

I just think our coaching staff being married to Johnny and monny as play drivers is a product of the stinginess of our management to not hire good nhl caliber coaches.

Incorrect.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

Sure I agree with your latter assessment. Yet I don’t think he’s done developing. I have given examples of other late blooming players. I don’t know why similar comparisons don’t fit. Perhaps it’s due to his draft pedigree. I still think time is on his side...

Your comparisons:

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

Look at Bertuzzi...
Look at iggy as well...

I remember very clearly how these players played, and in all the time I have watched Bennett there has not been anything approaching the skillsets these guys exhibited even years before they each broke out offensively. If there were glimmers of high-end offensive skill in his game, then I might agree with you. However, for several years now Bennett has not shown any hints at all of untapped potential scoring acumen. It's just not there.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Your post kind of invited this sort of response by its sheer ridiculousness.

What’s ridiculous about my post? I like Bennett’s game better than monohan?

Yeah ridiculous is that there are two seasons in hockey which aren’t mutually exclusive I get. You need a good regular season to get to the playoffs. And a bad playoffs makes a good regular season seem cheap.

Look at when the flames lost to the avalanche? They were second in the nhl and first evicted from the playoffs.

I just think our coaching staff being married to Johnny and monny as play drivers is a product of the stinginess of our management to not hire good nhl caliber coaches.

My assertions shouldn’t predicate personal attacks though. It’s Calgary puck and people are sensitive here in this insular community.

Yet I agree with your assessment of Benny textcritic yet I don’t feel his development is finished while still holding top six potential.

Monohan could yet turn his game around too. Not holding my breath for either.

[Bonded]

I have seen numerous instances where his natural skill gets him into a high danger chance that he just couldn’t finish.

I watch Bennetts game a lot. He has moments where he shows high level skill only to be thwarted by a good save.

Although I disagree that regularly creates high danger chances, but even if does, he has no finish. What is going to flip that takes him to that next level.

You basically summed up why he is frustrating and why so many people don't think he is going to get much better.
He hasn't improved at all over four years and it is not because Monahan has stolen his spot. If Bennett was better he would be centering his own line regardless of what Monahan is doing, just like Lindholm.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by VilleN

From the Athletic: "Among past players aged 23-25 closest to Bennett's statistical profile, there are 87 players that are strong matches, and only 12 went on to become top-six forwards. Despite his pedigree, Bennett's chances of becoming something more look slim."

So although it is possible he develops more, I don't think time is on his side at all. And the smart money would be that Bennett is what he is: A physical, 3rd liner.

Did it say who those 12 were?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

What’s ridiculous about my post? I like Bennett’s game better than monohan?

It is ridiculous to imagine that Sam Bennett possesses anywhere near the offensive skill and scoring potential as Sean Monahan. Full stop. It is not there.

Look at when the flames lost to the avalanche? They were second in the nhl and first evicted from the playoffs.

No. The Flames were the second team evicted from the playoffs. The first-place Tampa Bay Lightning lost in four straight games.

[II] just think our coaching staff being married to Johnny and monny as play drivers is a product of the stinginess of our management to not hire good nhl caliber coaches.[/I]

And I think you are married to the unsubstantiated idea that Sam Bennett is a highly skilled NHL player who has been somehow maligned and ruined by a steady stream of NHL coaches.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Your comparisons:

I remember very clearly how these players played, and in all the time I have watched Bennett there has not been anything approaching the skillsets these guys exhibited even years before they each broke out offensively. If there were glimmers of high-end offensive skill in his game, then I might agree with you. However, for several years now Bennett has not shown any hints at all of untapped potential scoring acumen. It's just not there.

Beyond you being undoutedly correct with your anecdotal watching of Bertuzzi and Iginla in comparison to Bennett, the satistical argument also makes no sense for comparison.

Bertuzzi was a .5 ppg contributor in his rookie season, had a couple of down years, then was a consistent .5ppg producer through injuries until the '99 season (his 6th in the league.) Also all of this was in the middle of the dead puck era.

Iginla put up 50 points and 20+ goals in his rookie season (largely alone) had a small sophomore slump where he still put up ~.5ppg, and then was at PPG by his 5th season in the league. The 6th season was his 52 goal campaign.

This year is Bennett's 6th Season with the team (if we don't count his 1 game stint. Wow, time flies...)
Bennett's best season was his rookie season, which was very respectable. He put up 18 goals and had almost .5 ppg. He has been on a steep decline since, topping out at 27 points (three straight seasons right around that mark) and putting up an absolutely abysmal -57. This is by far the worst on our team in this period, and probably is one of the worst in the league. I will look into this and confirm. EDIT: He is 20th worst in the league since he entered. BTW we should never trade for Ristolainen and Severson lol.

This season, Iginla and Bertuzzi would both be PPG players while having shown consistent progression through the NHL's toughest era to score in. Bennett has played in some of the highest offensive seasons of the last 2 decades, and can't generate anything. Before you bring up linemate quality, just try and remember who Iginla played with his entire career.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

Monohan could yet turn his game around too. Not holding my breath for either.

What exactly do you want Monahan to do to turn his game around? I like the direction his game is going this year very, very much. I think many others do to. Please enlighten us exactly what you mean with this statement. I am willing to bet AC can find a clip of him doing exactly what you want him to from this season.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It is ridiculous to imagine that Sam Bennett possesses anywhere near the offensive skill and scoring potential as Sean Monahan. Full stop. It is not there.


No. The Flames were the second team evicted from the playoffs. The first-place Tampa Bay Lightning lost in four straight games.


And I think you are married to the unsubstantiated idea that Sam Bennett is a highly skilled NHL player who has been somehow maligned and ruined by a steady stream of NHL coaches.

I have stated he's a polarizing player. I am comfortably on the one side.



I feel he has the potential still. Sorry but your evaluations and assessments are worth what mine are: a hill of beans.


Agree to disagree.



Being evicted second or first, it's nearly semantics... the point stands.



I am married to the idea that Benny is a highly skilled player.



I started my whole position with development isn't linear. it's now developed into this.



I'm fine taking a stance on a player that I appreciate.



The flames were extolling his praises during the offseason, saying they were going to try him at center. All hollow. He has what two games on the top line? he played well the one game and not so well the second. Give him a chance and let him not feel the specter of demotion. You gotta let the kids play.



I will agree with that Villne poster who stated that" if the flames best player in the playoffs is a 3rd liner then the team has bigger problems".



I do agree with this. I also think third line or obscure or unheralded players in the playoffs rise to prominence due to matchups.



I just don't care for flames management not hiring experienced coaches.



And i challenged monohan via that one poster! I could give a crap about that guy. He's got his millions. I have nothing personally against that guy. Yet the poster thinking that he has some superior argument in saying monohan would "lay a licking on me", is so lame. I challenged that lame notion. And I love lucic. The guy is all heart. He's a real pro. He will even waive his NTC for the expansion. If he doesn't I will donate 50 bucks to CP.