2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Enoch Root]

it's "moo"

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Name one player in recent memory that had returned two 1sts, two 2nds, and a roster player.

Mark Stone is way better than PLD and he didn’t even fetch a 1st. Holy crap there are some truly awful proposals in here.

Bad example when you bring up a rental player.

Stone returned Brannstrom who was a first rounder.

Duchene got future picks and guys drafted in the first round.

Do people feel better swapping out future firsts for Pelletier or Zary?

When do 22 year old former top 3 picks who are already top centers on a playoff team get traded?

I gladly trade 2 1st 2 2nd and Ryan for Dubois and laugh all the way to the bank. Our team is already really good and that makes it ridiculously stacked.

Would anyone want to trade Tkachuk for a warm body and 2 late 1sts and 2 2nds?

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

it's "moo"

Sorry we don't speak bovine, is there a translator we can use?


Has there been any reported movement on the Dubois front lately?

[Petert]

So, how valuable are these late 1st?

That year when we drafted this "not a real #1 center" Monahan, we also drafted Poirier at 22nd and Klimchuk at 28th.
To be fair, one of the pick could have gotten us Burakovsky (23rd) or Theodore (26th) instead.
Honorable mentions: Lazar (17th), Rychel (19th) and Shinkaruk (24th).

And that was supposed to be one of the deeper drafts.
Just saying.

I said it was a crazy idea, but my idea of two 1st also come with the baggage of Lucic.
Losing Dube and Zary hurt, but I have a hard time believing PLD is not at least as good as Dube, if not better already.
It takes values to add values, and it takes extra values to unload Lucic's contract.

It's a hail mary move, mortgaging the future for essentially this and next year.
I believe with the recent additions of prime Markstrom and while both Tanev and Gio are still above average defenders, now is the time.
We have many many roster problems in as soon as a couple years anyway.
PLD (5.0) is sign thru 21-22 when he becomes RFA, at the same time when both Johnny (6.75) and Gio (6.75) are to become UFAs while Tkachuk (7.0) also becomes RFA.

And the importance of unloading Lucic?
Lucic (5.25) is sign thru 22-23, one whole extra year than all the aforementioned.

[Monahammer]

Would Laine not have to quarantine at all because he's already in Canada?

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Bad example when you bring up a rental player.

Stone returned Brannstrom who was a first rounder.

Duchene got future picks and guys drafted in the first round.

Do people feel better swapping out future firsts for Pelletier or Zary?

When do 22 year old former top 3 picks who are already top centers on a playoff team get traded?

I gladly trade 2 1st 2 2nd and Ryan for Dubois and laugh all the way to the bank. Our team is already really good and that makes it ridiculously stacked.

Would anyone want to trade Tkachuk for a warm body and 2 late 1sts and 2 2nds?

Stone was never a rental. It was well documented that he wanted an extension when he was traded.

And yes, if Tkachuk was demanding a trade I would take that deal in a heartbeat and laugh endlessly at the GM dumb enough to give up 5 assets (4 of them being extremely valuable) for one player.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That's almost the Hamonic deal. Is PLD worth the Hamonic deal plus a roster player... I suppose it depends on who the roster player is, but generally I would say yes.

The Hamonic deal was Hamonic and a 4th for a 1st and two 2nds. Adding a roster player and another 1st rounder is a significantly higher cost.

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Wouldn't the Drouin trade be a good comparable? Other than Drouin being a winger and Dubois being a centre, they seem pretty similar as trade targets.

The Drouin deal ended up being a straight-up swap of for Sergachev. There were a couple of conditional picks involved, but they didn't end up being a part of it because the conditions weren't triggered.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Stone was never a rental. It was well documented that he wanted an extension when he was traded.

And yes, if Tkachuk was demanding a trade I would take that deal in a heartbeat and laugh endlessly at the GM dumb enough to give up 5 assets (4 of them being extremely valuable) for one player.

Even if it was well documented that Stone was going to sign with Vegas, the trade competition only was getting him for 1 year. So Vegas benefited from this as other teams couldn't out bid them.

No question you trade 2 firsts and 2 seconds with a guy like Ryan for Dubois. This team is pretty close to be a contender right now. Dubois for Ryan would be a massive upgrade to a very good team and he barely makes more money and is signed for 1 more year at a massive steal of a contract. Then he is an RFA after that. I'd consider it without lottery protecting the firsts that is how good a deal it is.

[The_Rug]

Originally Posted by getbak

The Hamonic deal was Hamonic and a 4th for a 1st and two 2nds. Adding a roster player and another 1st rounder is a significantly higher cost.

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Wouldn't the Drouin trade be a good comparable? Other than Drouin being a winger and Dubois being a centre, they seem pretty similar as trade targets.

The Drouin deal ended up being a straight-up swap of for Sergachev. There were a couple of conditional picks involved, but they didn't end up being a part of it because the conditions weren't triggered.

So Valimaki? I wouldn't trade Valimaki for Dubois straight up, but I believe both are better prospects than Drouin or Sergachev.

[David Struch]

On Thursday, David Pagnotta of The Fourth Period broke the news that the Flames have “serious interest” in the young center. As we have seen in the past, Treliving appears to leave no stone unturned whenever a player becomes available, both in trade or free agency. When it comes to previous trade rumors, Treliving has a knack for coming in second, but maybe this time is different.

So, the idea is Dubois for Monahan, Hanifin, 2021 3rd.

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Dubé
Gaudreau - Dubois - Mangiapane
Lucic - Backlund - Bennett
Simon - Ryan - Leivo

Giordano - Andersson
Välimäki - Tanev
Mackey - Nesterov

Markström
Rittich

MAKE IT HAPPEN BRAD

If the player and deal is still available at the 2021 NHL draft, regardless of how the team finishes this season, then Treliving needs to make this happen. Dubois is going to be a star in this league for a long time, and with the uncertainty of what will happen with Gaudreau in free agency, this type of transaction would ensure the Flames have a star player for years to come.

Treliving has been close to acquiring this type of star in the past, and has balked at the cost, but this may be his last opportunity to pull something like this off and he may as well swing for the fences.

https://thewincolumn.ca/2021/01/17/m...algary-flames/

[MrMike]

This is a cap world. PLD is worth more than Stone because he’s currently at 5 mill for 2 years as well as still an RFA while Stone was going to be getting around 10 million. That’s also the reason why Hamonic was expensive, because of his cheap cap hit. If he was making 5-6 million I believe he would have been only worth the first.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by The_Rug

So Valimaki? I wouldn't trade Valimaki for Dubois straight up, but I believe both are better prospects than Drouin or Sergachev.

Whoa straight up? If a legit, proven, #1 center is coming back and all it takes is an unproven, potential top four defenseman, you do the deal. We can only hope that Valimaki has the same impact for the Flames that Dubois has had for his team.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Whoa straight up? If a legit, proven, #1 center is coming back and all it takes is an unproven, potential top four defenseman, you do the deal. We can only hope that Valimaki has the same impact for the Flames that Dubois has had for his team.

I agree with the poster you quoted. What we do know is Valimaki is expansion draft protected. We know Gio is not long for this league. Life will be fine if all we have to do is eventually replace zgio with someone like Mackey. But if we also have to replace Valimaki in the same timeframe....thats undoing a lot of work.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Would Laine not have to quarantine at all because he's already in Canada?

To come to Calgary?

If I understand the league's protocol this season, yes, he would still require a 7 day quarantine/testing cycle if he traveled on commercial transport to get to the team. After arriving, he would be tested on days 1, 3, 5, and 7. If all 4 tests came back negative, he would be able to join the team on day #8.

If a trade happened while both teams were in the same city, I believe the player(s) could join the new team without going through a quarantine period (although I could be wrong about that). Also, a player can receive an exemption from quarantine if he can travel to his new team in a private vehicle.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I agree with the poster you quoted. What we do know is Valimaki is expansion draft protected. We know Gio is not long for this league. Life will be fine if all we have to do is eventually replace zgio with someone like Mackey. But if we also have to replace Valimaki in the same timeframe....thats undoing a lot of work.

Take the best player available. Even though this is a draft day expression, I think it applies here too. The Center position has proven to be the most important position when trying to build a Cup winning roster and if all it takes is a very raw, left shot defenseman, I think you 100% do it.

We don’t know what Valimaki can become, whereas we know what Dubois can be right now. The Flames window is open now, so I’d take the better player at the moment and find a suitable replacement for Valimaki via trade.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by David Struch

So, the idea is Dubois for Monahan, Hanifin, 2021 3rd.

Make it Dubois and Harrington for Monahan, Hanifin, and a 3rd and it makes more sense. Flames get back a NHL defenseman that can play if needed. Don't like poking holes that weaken the team. Since Hanifin is involved, I'd be more inclined to make it Hanifin, Bennett, and a first, or Hanafin, Backlund, and a second. Would like to try and keep Monahan.

[Classic_Sniper]

All this Dubois trade talk reminds me of the Kadri trade that got nixed. How much better would the Flames be right now with a hard nosed Kadri in the line up terrorizing the likes od McDavid instead of losing both Brodie and Jankowski to free agency 1 year later.

This might be one of the sadder trades that could have been in recent memory for this franchise.

[Petert]

Originally Posted by New Era

Make it Dubois and Harrington for Monahan, Hanifin, and a 3rd and it makes more sense. Flames get back a NHL defenseman that can play if needed. Don't like poking holes that weaken the team. Since Hanifin is involved, I'd be more inclined to make it Hanifin, Bennett, and a first, or Hanafin, Backlund, and a second. Would like to try and keep Monahan.

Don't even want Harrington if Hanifin, Bennett and a first can get it done.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

All this Dubois trade talk reminds me of the Kadri trade that got nixed. How much better would the Flames be right now with a hard nosed Kadri in the line up terrorizing the likes od McDavid instead of losing both Brodie and Jankowski to free agency 1 year later.

This might be one of the sadder trades that could have been in recent memory for this franchise.

I like to think of it positively.

We wouldn’t have had room for Tanev and Markstrom, never have moved Lindholm to center, yada yada butterfly effect

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

All this Dubois trade talk reminds me of the Kadri trade that got nixed. How much better would the Flames be right now with a hard nosed Kadri in the line up terrorizing the likes od McDavid instead of losing both Brodie and Jankowski to free agency 1 year later.

This might be one of the sadder trades that could have been in recent memory for this franchise.

Losing Jankowski ...