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Old 01-19-2021, 06:50 AM   #6021
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This board undervalues and underappreciates Monahan criminally, or there are simply so many shills out here trying to fleece Calgary.
It was straight up for freaking Dumba during the off season, and now somehow we will have to add values for only PLD?

Monahan is easily a number 1 center for at least half of this league.
Since his draft year up until last year, he is ranked 18th in scoring amongst centers.
http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?rep...=0&pageSize=50

He is ranked 2nd from his draft year being drafted at 6th.
Still outscoring #1 pick Nathan freaking MacKinnon by 4 goals.
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2013e.html

The excuse of getting to play with Johnny is laughable, and I thought we are in the process of running Johnny out of town too?
Lemieux must be so overrated because he got to play with Jagr.
Or as a fact, MacKinnon did nothing until Rantanen came along.

People are so quick to forget how much chemistry the two of them shown consistently except for last year when pretty much the whole team fell apart.
Many times, with the right mix, the sums are greater than the parts, and I believe the combination of Johnny/Mony definitely falls into the category.
And as if the whole teams haven't been falling apart too during the playoffs, but let's blame everything on Sean Monahan, just because.

I personally would not even entertain a straight up deal, CLB can take a future package or they can have fun with Torts keeps chasing star players out of town as usual.
As if they have any other choice but to rebuild anyways at the rate they have been bleeding talents.
As a side note, I actually think they will do better in the long term without Torts.

Zary + 1st + 2nds/Pelletier/Dube + Ryan+Bennet/Mangiapane+Bennet
Zary + 1st + Hanifin
And the craziest idea, to hell with these late 1st, let's load it up and go for it before everybody needs new contracts.
Zary + two 1st + 2nds/Pelletier/Dube + Lucic

Yes, the cap works with all the suggested deal.
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Old 01-19-2021, 07:56 AM   #6022
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I would hate to trade Zary and Pelletier and Dube and TWO firsts.

That would gut us for pipeline talent and would set us back 5 years. I have more faith that all of those parts in our line up on cheap contracts would help us win more than PLD.
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Old 01-19-2021, 08:12 AM   #6023
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Anyone suggesting five assets for one is not thinking straight. PLD is a "potential" player, not proven, no guarantees. Plus he comes with a hefty salary demand. You're not getting a young cost controlled player here, you're getting a player that is demanding huge dollars without the body of work to support it. Very risky. At most I would be willing to throw Monahan and Bennett at the Jackets. Maybe Bennett plus one of our recent firsts and a future pick. Maybe Backlund and a first. Beyond that, no deal. Five players? Laughable.
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Old 01-19-2021, 08:35 AM   #6024
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It's nice to see that we've moved on from underrating Monahan to underrating Dube.
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Old 01-19-2021, 08:41 AM   #6025
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It's nice to see that we've moved on from underrating Monahan to underrating Dube.
Yep.

If PLD is to become a Flame:

To CBJ: Derek Ryan, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd

That’s the extent of my offer. Those are the assets I’d be willing to spend to push this team “over the top”, and if Dubois can’t be had for that type of package, shift targets. Four top-60 (top 64 I guess) picks would be one of the richest returns in modern history.

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Dube
Gaudreau - Monahan - Simon
Mangiapane - Dubois - Bennett
Lucic - Backlund - Leivo

Hanifin - Tanev
Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Nesterov

Markstrom
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Throw in Bennett instead of a second, then we can say Sam did become our top line center we always wanted in a way.
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Yep.

If PLD is to become a Flame:

To CBJ: Derek Ryan, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd

That’s the extent of my offer. Those are the assets I’d be willing to spend to push this team “over the top”, and if Dubois can’t be had for that type of package, shift targets. Four top-60 (top 64 I guess) picks would be one of the richest returns in modern history.

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Dube
Gaudreau - Monahan - Simon
Mangiapane - Dubois - Bennett
Lucic - Backlund - Leivo

Hanifin - Tanev
Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Nesterov

Markstrom
Rittich
I'm fairly high right now and that line up gave me shivers.
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I'm fairly high right now and that line up gave me shivers.
Its not the weed, he really put Dubois on the third line.
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I assumed it was the Dube on the top line
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Bennett +++ for Dubois. Glad more people are finally coming back aboard the keep Monahan train. This guy deserves our love.
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I'm fairly high right now and that line up gave me shivers.
8:50 am on a tuesday...

...Jealous...
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8:50 am on a tuesday...

...Jealous...
Day off. Life is good. Flames win over Canucks. Oilers lose again. Flames on a break. Get to watch the train wreck that is the North division.

It's as good as it gets for me!
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Yep.

If PLD is to become a Flame:

To CBJ: Derek Ryan, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd

That’s the extent of my offer. Those are the assets I’d be willing to spend to push this team “over the top”, and if Dubois can’t be had for that type of package, shift targets. Four top-60 (top 64 I guess) picks would be one of the richest returns in modern history.

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Dube
Gaudreau - Monahan - Simon
Mangiapane - Dubois - Bennett
Lucic - Backlund - Leivo

Hanifin - Tanev
Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Nesterov

Markstrom
Rittich
PLD will not be a flame with that type of garbage offer.

If it is futures based they are going to want legit high end prospects not a taxi squad player and some picks from a team that should in the top 10 in the league over the next 2 years.
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Old 01-19-2021, 09:34 AM   #6034
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With the way Lindholm is playing I am now in the boat that you look for a top end RW. The question is how many are on the market?
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Old 01-19-2021, 10:09 AM   #6035
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I'm impatiently waiting to see a Sureloss post pop up today.

Dubois to Flames.

Come on Treliving. Pull that trigger. Now is the time.
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With the way Lindholm is playing I am now in the boat that you look for a top end RW. The question is how many are on the market?
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Name one player in recent memory that had returned two 1sts, two 2nds, and a roster player.

Mark Stone is way better than PLD and he didn’t even fetch a 1st. Holy crap there are some truly awful proposals in here.
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Name one player in recent memory that had returned two 1sts, two 2nds, and a roster player.
That's almost the Hamonic deal. Is PLD worth the Hamonic deal plus a roster player... I suppose it depends on who the roster player is, but generally I would say yes.

If those were the draft picks involved, I wouldn't add any of our top 4 forwards to get it done, but Mangiapane, Dube and Backlund would be fair game IMO.

I don't think Columbus would be interested though. That market can't afford to take a step back right now.
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Basing packages on potential is always silly.
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Old 01-19-2021, 02:02 PM   #6040
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Futures is a mute point as we would have to clear salary to take PLD on and it wont be bottom 6
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