Who do you HOPE Seattle takes in the expansion draft.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Are you willing to lose one of our young blue-chip dmen for free or give up significant assets to keep them? Probably would leave an even worse taste in your mouth.

Forget sentimentality, chuck it out the window, there's only 3 protection spots if we want to go 7-3-1 (and you bet your ass we will) and now we face losing one of Valimaki, Andersson or Hanifin (or if he gets traded, Kylington) for free if we don't use them wisely.

Looch obviously knows what's at stake, he's reportedly going to waive, I imagine Gio understands the situation as well.

Isn’t Valimaki exempt?

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Are you willing to lose one of our young blue-chip dmen for free or give up significant assets to keep them? Probably would leave an even worse taste in your mouth.

Forget sentimentality, chuck it out the window, there's only 3 protection spots if we want to go 7-3-1 (and you bet your ass we will) and now we face losing one of Valimaki, Andersson or Hanifin (or if he gets traded, Kylington) for free if we don't use them wisely.

Looch obviously knows what's at stake, he's reportedly going to waive, I imagine Gio understands the situation as well.

Valimaki is exempt as I understand it. I expose Tanev and Kylington, protecting Giordano, Hanafin, and Andersson.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Are you willing to lose one of our young blue-chip dmen for free or give up significant assets to keep them? Probably would leave an even worse taste in your mouth.

Forget sentimentality, chuck it out the window, there's only 3 protection spots if we want to go 7-3-1 (and you bet your ass we will) and now we face losing one of Valimaki, Andersson or Hanifin (or if he gets traded, Kylington) for free if we don't use them wisely...

Valimaki is exempt from the expansion draft.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yup. So under a 7-3-1 the Flames can still protect the key guys: Gio, Andersson, Hanifin.
I don't view Kylington as a key guy unless he takes a big step this year (unlikely)
So that means you are exposing Tanev on the blueline. Works for me.

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I think leaving him exposed is certifiably insane.

• He's been the heart and soul of the Flames for years now
  Tkachuk is the heart and soul now and could become the new captain in a heartbeat.
• His on-ice work ethic and off ice contributions to the community are renowned league wide and sets an example for all Flames players
  His work ethic is great to have but charity work, while great, gets you no closer to a Stanley Cup
• Even if his play regresses to bottom six level, you keep him for leadership and culture
  If there is a good culture in the locker room due to his leadership, that will stay when the next captain takes over.

Hockey is a business, yes, but not all aspects of business are cut-throat. Exposing Giordano would leave a bad taste in the mouths of most fans and, I'm certain, all the players. Seattle would absolutely take him if he's available. If not for his play, then for setting a standard for on and off ice performance and behaviour.

I'm not so sure Seattle would take him but I hope they would because it would give us valuable cap space at the expense of a depreciating asset and allow us to keep Bennett and Backlund, both of whom I think are very important to our offence. Backlund for his two way play and ability to help other players. Bennett for his play in playoffs, physicality and intensity.

Giordano is also important but I am of the belief that he is no longer a true #1 but that we have 2 guys with potential to take that place in Valimaki and Andersson, with Hanifin having potential to be a 2. so losing Gio would not hurt as much as one of the forwards.

[Bingo]

Giordano just had a season that had him average roughly 31st in defenseman league wide (metrics). His slide from a Norris year is there for sure, but not out of the top four .... not even out of the top two.

Luckily that have another year to make a decision.

But if he doesn't slide a bunch this season you would have to consider protecting him unless all of Andersson, Hanifin and Kylington prove themselves to be too valuable to lose.

A lot can be figured out in a year.

[jayswin]

I don't know I guess I'm in the minority then, in seeing a sharp decline in speed (which is death in the current NHL) in a 37 year old defender, with a super high likelihood of that decline continuing. But even beyond that, Seattle got to watch a real life example of how to murder an expansion draft. I literally cannot see that group getting together and deciding that a 38 year old, declining D-man with a 6.8mil cap hit is the way to go with their pick when Vegas literally just put together a near Cup winner with fast, young players that teams left unprotected.

It would go against everything that worked so well in Vegas. I mean, the only way a guy like Gio would be picked up is if they made a deal to get a better player out of Calgary packaged with taking on Gio.

I will be shocked if Gio is protected by Brad next off season.

[Vinny01]

I find it remarkable how some people fixate on a small sample size and seemingly completely forget that Gio is literally one season removed from being the best Dman in the NHL. Yea he was not great last year but still performed as a top pairing Dman by most metrics. He has been an elite Dman for the past 6-7 seasons and a solid top 4 for more than a decade.

Maybe Seattle selects Bennett or Backlund over Gio if they get the chance but I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if they do. How many captains from playoff teams will be available to be selected. Gio also fits the mold of being a 1 year rental player who Seattle likely can flip for future assets at the deadline if they are not as fortunate as Vegas was in year 1.

Who else will the Flames protect if not Gio?
Kylington? Tanev? I don’t see it

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by jayswin

...I will be shocked if Gio is protected by Brad next off season.

I think that since Valimaki is exempt from the expansion draft the choice the Flames will need to make for protecting a defenseman will come between Giordano, Tanev and Kylington. I don't see Kylington receiving protection unless he makes a dramatic improvement this season, and I suspect that Giordano wins out over Tanev even with only one year remaining on his deal.

But in the end, it won't matter because as things stand today the Flames will end up losing a forward, not a defenseman. Seattle will get their pick of whichever of Backlund or Bennett is left exposed, and it will probably suck.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think that since Valimaki is exempt from the expansion draft the choice the Flames will need to make for protecting a defenseman will come between Giordano, Tanev and Kylington. I don't see Kylington receiving protection unless he makes a dramatic improvement this season, and I suspect that Giordano wins out over Tanev even with only one year remaining on his deal.

But in the end, it won't matter because as things stand today the Flames will end up losing a forward, not a defenseman. Seattle will get their pick of whichever of Backlund or Bennett is left exposed, and it will probably suck.

I still think there will be some notable changes to the forward group between now and the expansion draft. Of course, that may not solve the problem, of losing one of those players.

[gvitaly]

I am pretty certain it will be Bennett. Unless there are big changes upfront Bennett is the odd man out. I think too many people are putting emphasis on him being young/potential late bloomer. After this season the Flames only have one more year of control. If Bennett breaks out, he will be gone a year after the expansion draft. As much as I love playoff Sam Bennett, I just don't see him staying with the Flames.
As for Gio vs Tanev, I think this season's performance will help the team decide who they want to keep. That said, I am a bit disappointed in Gio, and the team's mental fragility under him as captain(especially in the playoffs).

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I still think there will be some notable changes to the forward group between now and the expansion draft. Of course, that may not solve the problem, of losing one of those players.

I tend to agree, which is why this discussion is a little silly right now. The fortunate thing for the Flames is that they do not need to make this choice today:

· There will be roster turnover which will affect their decision
· There will be another full season of evaluation for Bennett, Kylington and other young forwards Dube and Mangiapane
· There will be a year to decide which of the vets—Backlund, Tanev and Giordano—are most expendable moving forward.

[ForeverFlameFan]

^ I agree, Textcritic. We don't have to make a decision right now. For all we know, we get surprised by Bennett or Kylington. We could very well pay a premium for Seattle to take Lucic. We could expose Giordano because his play drops significantly, to the point where it's not worth keeping him.

I'm just happy that Valimaki is exempt. Might have been a blessing in disguise that he was injured all season (though, I don't encourage injuries).

[Textcritic]

I think the right answer to the OP's question is pretty straightforward: who do we hope is selected in tbe expansion draft? Everyone's hope should be one of either Giordano or Backlund. If Derek Ryan or David Rittich is selected it will be because Seattle doesn't see a more valuable player on the exposed player list, likely because the whole team had a substandard season. If one of Mangiapane, Bennett or Dube is exposed and then selected it likewise means that this player has disappointed; similarly so for Kylington. But if one of Giordano or Backlund is exposed it most likely means that he has become expendable. That would be the best thing, since it also means that a younger, cost-controlled player has made him expendable after a good season by the team.

No one should be hoping a player is selected for the chance to be rid of that player. The reason for this is that whichever player Seattle picks will be a player worth protecting, and it is going to suck losing him.

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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I still think there will be some notable changes to the forward group between now and the expansion draft. Of course, that may not solve the problem, of losing one of those players.

Isn't the expansion draft before the entry draft and free agency? I'm not that convinced the Flames pull off a major trade before then unless it's a rental at the deadline.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Man, CP has the most bizarre takes on Gio. A) He is clearly heavily regressing and will likely continue to do so at his age, this was always coming and we accepted it with the signing. B) Because of this you absolutely leave him unprotected and C) There is a next to zero percent chance Seattle takes him. He will not be worth a first or more after another 3/4 season of hockey.

The idea of protecting Giordano next summer is certifiably insane. They won't protect him, he won't be taken, and he will retire a Flame. You do not waste a protection spot on that in a million years.

Some, or even all, of what you say may turn out to be true, but there is likely no certainty to any of it.

Your first sentence is undeniably true and your post is Exhibit A to that fact.


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[FranksandBean]

Sorry to re-ignite this thread but was looking through a Gaudreau trade and noticed that we can’t use Dube or Bennett as our forwards to meet exposure limits as they are not under contract next year. This would give both of them negotiating leverage in signing new contracts, so either we loose Mangiapanie/Backlund, resign Bennett or make a trade to acquire a player who is signed for next year. I am okay with loosing Mangiapanie (which would suck) as he is the easiest to replace and plays a position where we have the deepest prospect pool.

Also on the Gaudreau trade i was looking at, I think this should be re-evaluated either before the season or before the expansion draft. I like others think that Philadelphia is the best partner and using the Stone and Paciorretty as a framework i arrived at the below;

Frost/Farabee (both are expansion exempt)
Patrick
2nd

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think it will be pretty easy to acquire someone to meet the exposure limit if that's necessary. Just find some schlub.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by FranksandBean

Sorry to re-ignite this thread but was looking through a Gaudreau trade and noticed that we can’t use Dube or Bennett as our forwards to meet exposure limits as they are not under contract next year. This would give both of them negotiating leverage in signing new contracts, so either we loose Mangiapanie/Backlund, resign Bennett or make a trade to acquire a player who is signed for next year. I am okay with loosing Mangiapanie (which would suck) as he is the easiest to replace and plays a position where we have the deepest prospect pool.

Also on the Gaudreau trade i was looking at, I think this should be re-evaluated either before the season or before the expansion draft. I like others think that Philadelphia is the best partner and using the Stone and Paciorretty as a framework i arrived at the below;

Frost/Farabee (both are expansion exempt)
Patrick
2nd

I don’t see it being an issue. I am sure that the Flames will re-sign a forward to expose along with Lucic. Doc, Nordstrom, Simon, and Bennett already meet the exposure requirements. One of them will get an extension before the year is over. Otherwise the Flames can trade for any forward with 27GP this season, and extend him.

[The Fisher Account]

Please please please please please take Sam Bennett please please