Tories prep for campaign: report

[Slava]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I am assuming you mean the Dion adds?

The first add is direct barage back and forth between Dion and Ignatieff.

I think it has alot more weight than people give it credit for. Its one thing to have a bruding American style add like the drum add which talk about gloom and doom, its another to take a mans words (partially in context) and use it against him.

Everyone thinks that Canada is above negative advertising, the truth is they arent and they are the only adds that have been shown to have a real affect on swaying votes.

MYK

(Sorry for the lack of quoting in my prior post!)

My point isn't that because the ads are negative that they are bad. I agree that Canada is not above negative advertising (unfortunately). The thing here is that there is no election going on. Its just negative advertising for the sake of negative advertising. There was a poll I heard about on the radio shortly after the ads release and their conclusions were the same as what I'm referring to; the conservative supporters liked the ads, the liberals hated them, and the rest of the populus really couldn't care less.

To be honest, I didn't even see the ads air; I saw them on the news, or on the internet. If I wasn't interested in politics then chances are I wouldn't have watched them and wouldn't have cared. Sadly, this is the reality for most Canadians.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Negative attack ads certainly do sway voters in Canada, but not in the way you think they do. Who can forget the classic attack ad the Tories ran in 1993? Voter backlash over that ad is largely attributed as being the final nail that reduced their majority government to a mere two seats in parliament.

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?...&curtab=2222_1

Whoever posted that article is a complete douch and knows nothing about the 93 election.

That might have taken the final seat count from like 5 to 2 but it had nothing to do with with the final election result (majority etc).

An inept Kim Campbell and Joe Clark along with NAFTA, and the GST killed the Cons. Along with the inability for Mulruney to sign QC to the Constituion after 2 tries.

Add that with the rise of the Reform party in the West and the Bloc in QC killed the PC.

I agree that add was terrible but it wasnt because it was an attack add. It just happened to have the inadvertent (or perhaps desired) affect of zoning in on somones handicapt and as Canadians we had to act all high and mighty and say oh thats not good.

Dion has no physical handicap so there will be no problem. A Liberal style add commenting on Harper's weight would likely have the same affect as the 93 add but that again would have nothing to do with the add and more about the PM's weight and how over payed University grads now thing that being overweight is a disease (ITS NOT, QUIT EATING AND EXERCISE - sorry for the rant).

MYK

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I agree that add was terrible but it wasnt because it was an attack add. It just happened to have the inadvertent (or perhaps desired) affect of zoning in on somones handicapt and as Canadians we had to act all high and mighty and say oh thats not good.

Dion has no physical handicap so there will be no problem. A Liberal style add commenting on Harper's weight would likely have the same affect as the 93 add but that again would have nothing to do with the add and more about the PM's weight and how over payed University grads now thing that being overweight is a disease (ITS NOT, QUIT EATING AND EXERCISE - sorry for the rant).

MYK

Ummmm.....

Well, all I can say is I am glad that we "had to act all high and mighty and say oh thats not good".

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Slava

(Sorry for the lack of quoting in my prior post!)

My point isn't that because the ads are negative that they are bad. I agree that Canada is not above negative advertising (unfortunately). The thing here is that there is no election going on. Its just negative advertising for the sake of negative advertising. There was a poll I heard about on the radio shortly after the ads release and their conclusions were the same as what I'm referring to; the conservative supporters liked the ads, the liberals hated them, and the rest of the populus really couldn't care less.

To be honest, I didn't even see the ads air; I saw them on the news, or on the internet. If I wasn't interested in politics then chances are I wouldn't have watched them and wouldn't have cared. Sadly, this is the reality for most Canadians.

I think the adds were mainly for the Ontario market which the Cons need to make a breakthrough to get a majority.

Alberta/Sask/Kelowna area of BC are the Cons heartland, dont need to tell people who already support you about Dion.

Agree with the apathetic nature of Canadians toward politics. It would take a 9-11 style event for that to change I dont ever see that happening.

MYK

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I think the adds were mainly for the Ontario market which the Cons need to make a breakthrough to get a majority.

Alberta/Sask/Kelowna area of BC are the Cons heartland, dont need to tell people who already support you about Dion.

Agree with the apathetic nature of Canadians toward politics. It would take a 9-11 style event for that to change I dont ever see that happening.

MYK

Well, it would take a 911 type of vote to sway Alberta. The other provinces have switched many times. The only switch I recall in AB was from PC to Reform. Alberta sticks with incumbents FAR more often than any other area I have lived in.

Could that by why AB gets ignored? Liberal/NDPs figure what's the point and PCs figure its a lock anyways?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Well, it would take a 911 type of vote to sway Alberta. The other provinces have switched many times. The only switch I recall in AB was from PC to Reform. Alberta sticks with incumbents FAR more often than any other area I have lived in.

Could that by why AB gets ignored? Liberal/NDPs figure what's the point and PCs figure its a lock anyways?

I think that is totally true (of why Alberta gets ignored). Even the Tories are proving that point now as they pander to Quebec and Ontario for the votes.

This is why the polls are so funny to watch. The media thinks that Harper is neck and neck with the Liberals, but when you look at the regional distortion it might translate into 2 more seats. I digress however; this is not the thread to open the electoral reform can of worms!