Who would you vote for?

[Hockey_Ninja]

Voted for the first time ever here in Ohio for Biden. I’m honestly kinda scared Trump got as many votes as he did on the thread poll

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Slava

Really have to jump all over these.



Which is really dumb. Implemented policy is not felt for two years after a President takes or leaves office. The great economy was a result of Obama policy. The bottom falling out was a result of Trump policy. Trump strolled into the White House and rode the coat tails of Obama's policy and took credit for stuff he did nothing to encourage. He then went and put in place a tax policy that was nothing but a raiding of the Treasury by the rich. That's when the economy went sideways because there was no money in the system to pay for things, because the rich people just took it all out, like they always do. Democrats spurn on good economies. Republicans spend their way into the bad ones. This has been consistent since the 70s.



Do your friends make more than $400K? Because those are the ones that are going to experience the tax increase.



WTF? Trump has been a disaster on trade. Tariffs have been his biggest tool and that has crushed industry in the United States. My god people are dense.



Such a tired stupid talking point. That leftist/socialist movement is five people out of a party of 280ish people. And those people are all junior members. They have no influence or sway. Otherwise Bernie Sanders would be running against Trump right now. There is no leftist/socialist movement. The only socialism that exists in the United States is corporate socialism and the poor paying for the mistakes of the rich and the corporations. Maybe ask your friends when the last time they as individuals got a bailout, and how much that was? Because Wall Street, the banks, the airlines, the car industry, the fossil fuel industry, and so on have been gifted TRILLIONS in bailouts. Yeah, socialism is a real big fear in this country.

I know you're only the messenger Slava, but holy smokes there are a lot of people out there who don't get it.

Also to add to the socialist point: AOC and the squad and Bernie are Social Democrats. They aren’t full on socialist. They aren’t calling for the working class to seize the means of production or for the abolition of capital. They want the US to become more like the Nordic countries.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by troutman

If it is true that 80,000 lives could be saved by the New Year with common sense Federal mask requirements, is that more important than your family?

That figure assumes people would have complied. I doubt it. The Americans who hate and distrust masks would have hated and distrusted masks no matter who was president.

Just as public health measures in Canada are set at the provincial level, public health measures in the U.S. are set at the state level. Different federal leadership wouldn’t have changed much.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That figure assumes people would have complied. I doubt it. The Americans who hate and distrust masks would have hated and distrusted masks no matter who was president.

Just as public health measures in Canada are set at the provincial level, public health measures in the U.S. are set at the state level. Different federal leadership wouldn’t have changed much.

You say a lot of stupid ####, but this one takes the cake. The only reason people abhor masks is because Trump and his administration told them masks don't make a difference. Their "team" told them not to wear masks and they jumped right on board with that and contributed greatly to the cause. It was a show of the support for their team to not wear masks and they took it to extreme, not wearing masks because they knew it would piss off the libs.

These idiots certainly don't have a problem with wearing masks.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by New Era

The only reason people abhor masks is because Trump and his administration told them masks don't make a difference. Their "team" told them not to wear masks and they jumped right on board with that and contributed greatly to the cause. It was a show of the support for their team to not wear masks and they took it to extreme, not wearing masks because they knew it would piss off the libs.

Agreed. Trump made Covid measures political. It didn't have to be that way, but he and his supporters made it out to be an attack on him from the beginning.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

So, based on our results here, CP is significantly more left than even the most left states in the US. We make Washington, Oregon and California look like Republican strongholds in comparison.

CP is a terrible barometer for Canada, USA as it's extremely left in general as people with far right ideologies are ridiculed and run off. Being in the middle it doesn't bother me that much as I find the hypocrisy of the far left fascinating but CP is not a benchmark or indicator of the ideologies of the masses.

[CliffFletcher]

I just don't think the party in power has had much effect on the severity of Covid outbreaks in the world - especially in federal systems where health care is a provincial/state mandate.

Look at European countries ranked by fatalities per capita. If you can see anything that correlates to the political alignment of the government party, do share your insight. Is the fact Belgium tops the ranking due the gross incompetence of the government of [checks notes] Alexander de Croo? Spain has higher covid mortality than the U.S, and it's governed federally by the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party. Hungary has among the lowest rates in Europe, and it's governed by right-wing strongman Orban.

Or look at the U.S. fatality rates by state. Four Democratic strongholds top the list.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...s-us-by-state/

There really isn't any rhyme or reason politically to the severity of covid outbreaks.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

So, based on our results here, CP is significantly more left than even the most left states in the US. We make Washington, Oregon and California look like Republican strongholds in comparison.

I mean, lets keep in mind that the Democrats in Canada would be Centre Right and somewhere between the Liberals and CPC on a left-right scale.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

CP is a terrible barometer for Canada, USA as it's extremely left in general as people with far right ideologies are ridiculed and run off. Being in the middle it doesn't bother me that much as I find the hypocrisy of the far left fascinating but CP is not a benchmark or indicator of the ideologies of the masses.

I've found that most anonymous websites that aren't political to begin with lean left for the exact reason you talk about. Over the last 5-6 years it seems if you throw out any conservative ideal (cutting services) you immediately get labeled a racist, xenophobe, alt right. There's simply no point on this forum (hockey) or any other (music, golf, cars) to express your real political views and get run out of town.

I find it hilarious that people disagree that CP is very left leaning. I imagine it must seem very centered for college educated whites who work in white collar jobs though.

EDIT: I just wanted to add that I consider myself just to the right on the political spectrum, very right in comparison to this forum and very left compared to the trades people I work with.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by indes

I've found that most anonymous websites that aren't political to begin with lean left for the exact reason you talk about. Over the last 5-6 years it seems if you throw out any conservative ideal (cutting services) you immediately get labeled a racist, xenophobe, alt right. There's simply no point on this forum (hockey) or any other (music, golf, cars) to express your real political views and get run out of town.

You don't even have to express conservative ideals. You just have to question progressive dogmas, and the moral denunciations fly. And you're right, this isn't at all limited to political forums. You see it just as much in hobby sites.

It's down to A) the peculiar makeup of people who spend ####loads of time online, and B) the powerful tendency of forums to eventually become echo-chambers.

[Red Slinger]

I think CP tends to be relatively well educated and middle-class. So, we're going to skew Biden.

[Enoch Root]

I think it's more just the simple fact that Canadians care about different issues than Americans do. Now, more so than ever before.

[peter12]

American mask compliancy is higher than some Canadian provinces. Also, COVID turned out not be a big election issue. That doesn't mean that Americans are stupid, it means that it probably feels more manageable at the local level than a ruined economy.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

CP is a terrible barometer for Canada, USA as it's extremely left in general as people with far right ideologies are ridiculed and run off. Being in the middle it doesn't bother me that much as I find the hypocrisy of the far left fascinating but CP is not a benchmark or indicator of the ideologies of the masses.

Your posts have been exceptionally hilarious lately. Well done EE.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You don't even have to express conservative ideals. You just have to question progressive dogmas, and the moral denunciations fly. And you're right, this isn't at all limited to political forums. You see it just as much in hobby sites.

It's down to A) the peculiar makeup of people who spend ####loads of time online, and B) the powerful tendency of forums to eventually become echo-chambers.

A significantly more important reality than many people on this forum realize. The culture wars aren't one-sided.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

CP is a terrible barometer for Canada, USA as it's extremely left in general as people with far right ideologies are ridiculed and run off. Being in the middle it doesn't bother me that much as I find the hypocrisy of the far left fascinating but CP is not a benchmark or indicator of the ideologies of the masses.

CP certainly isn't extremely left in the Canadian political context. Maybe it is slightly left in the Albertan political context (although even then I'm not at all convinced).

EDIT: (All in my humble opinion of course)

[CliffFletcher]

CP is left in an Alberta context. 32 per cent of Albertans support Trump, 13 per cent polled on CP. The UCP is certainly far less popular on this forum than in the province overall. Even on matters like religious faith, the sentiments expressed here are far from representative.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

CP is left in an Alberta context. 32 per cent of Albertans support Trump, 13 per cent polled on CP. The UCP is certainly far less popular on this forum than in the province overall. Even on matters like religious faith, the sentiments expressed here are far from representative.

I think you’re making pretty big assumptions here, just because UCP supporters won’t come out and vocally support them doesn’t mean they don’t support them.

It’s like arguing that CP is very pro-Union because very few posters on here engage in debates on the subject with certain pro-Union posters.

Also support for Trump is a very poor barometer for where someone’s political beliefs fall on that silly left/right spectrum that doesn’t really account for fascism.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by New Era

You say a lot of stupid ####, but this one takes the cake. The only reason people abhor masks is because Trump and his administration told them masks don't make a difference. Their "team" told them not to wear masks and they jumped right on board with that and contributed greatly to the cause. It was a show of the support for their team to not wear masks and they took it to extreme, not wearing masks because they knew it would piss off the libs.

These idiots certainly don't have a problem with wearing masks.

Those idiots wear masks to:

1 - hide their identity
2 - I reckon they think it makes them look hard.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by New Era

You say a lot of stupid ####, but this one takes the cake. The only reason people abhor masks is because Trump and his administration told them masks don't make a difference. Their "team" told them not to wear masks and they jumped right on board with that and contributed greatly to the cause. It was a show of the support for their team to not wear masks and they took it to extreme, not wearing masks because they knew it would piss off the libs.

These idiots certainly don't have a problem with wearing masks.

I imagine the things they're defending, from left to right, are virginity, cheeseburgers, Walmart jeans, highscores on COD, the cure for male pattern baldness, and hentai.