[Rumour] TSN: Treliving would like to add an experienced right side d-man

[Burning Beard]

Do all fanbases get this riled up when that clown Dreger spews his verbal diarrhea?

I'm just hoping it's the slow offseason so he went to his notes to see what he can throw out. "Let's see... Treliving likes Dmen so let's talk about him looking for more" - Darren Dreger hopefully

[Robbob]

Treliving was on the Fan960 yesterday. I know what he is going to say is calculated, but he brought up Kylington himself as a player that gets overlooked when talking about the young Dmen (Andersson, Hanifin, and Valamaki). I thought that was interesting because he wasn't pressed to talk about him and he doesn't have him signed.

A few other key things is the club thinks that Andersson is just scratching the surface of what he is capable. Sounds like the team will lean on him a lot more. Also said Mackey will be here sooner rather that later.

I think it is the same as any GM, if a vet is available at the right price and fit, of course they will be looked at.

[dammage79]

In regards to the Dreger speculation. It just befuddled me that the Flames would still be looking for more defense. IMO that part of the team build is done. You have the farm depth, the popcorn eating depth. If you need more d bodies ypu do the trade deadline again.

I like Liev but I think you can still go out and grab another RHS forward. Pickins are slim though.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Islanders are an outlier and not an organization I would want to emulate as the Flames don't have Barry Trotz behind the bench. As for the Stars that's another team I don't think you want to emulate as things just fell into place for them in that tournament and I don't believe their success is repeatable. I personally believe that Flames fans are overrating the abilities of Mangiapane and Dube. They aren't elite players that are going move the needle offensively enough to overcome the scoring void left if Monahan and Gaudreau can't bounce back.

I realize that this was a difficult offseason to make moves but I'm pretty disappointed that Treliving left the forward core intact as you can argue that the top 6 was the team's biggest issue more than goaltending. I'm sure Treliving has more up his sleeve but I will be pretty disappointed if he moves out assets for a bottom veteran bottom pairing defenseman.

I wanted to shake up the top six as well, and was hoping to see Gaudreau or Monahan moved. Clearly that isn’t going to happen now, probably because the state of the league has made those sorts of deals extremely difficult to pull off.

So the core remains in place, and management hopes better goaltending, team defense, and internal growth nudges the team into better results next season.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I don't trust Dreger for pretty much anything. A small step up from Eklund in my view. Take a small grain of truth and roll it into a steaming coil of unrealistic rumour.

The grain of truth is that the Flames are weak on the right side. In particular if you think Tanev is an injury risk. We do need someone capable of playing in the top 4 in that case.

The steaming coil in this case is that the Flames have no cap space. The unsigned UFAs are putrid and the trade market is frozen due to little cap space for others. Add in the fact that they don't even know when the season will start, and I don't see any reason to think they will make a move now. Once the season starts and it is clear they need to add, then fine. Trade deadline? Sure. It doesn't make any sense now.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Treliving was on the Fan960 yesterday. I know what he is going to say is calculated, but he brought up Kylington himself as a player that gets overlooked when talking about the young Dmen (Andersson, Hanifin, and Valamaki). I thought that was interesting because he wasn't pressed to talk about him and he doesn't have him signed.

A few other key things is the club thinks that Andersson is just scratching the surface of what he is capable. Sounds like the team will lean on him a lot more. Also said Mackey will be here sooner rather that later.

I think it is the same as any GM, if a vet is available at the right price and fit, of course they will be looked at.

After hearing the interview yesterday, where he mentioned how much they are discussion Lindholm being moved to center, I'm predicting that Sean Monahan is definitely the trade bait.

Something along the lines of Monahan for Ekblad is my guess.....

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

After hearing the interview yesterday, where he mentioned how much they are discussion Lindholm being moved to center, I'm predicting that Sean Monahan is definitely the trade bait.

Something along the lines of Monahan for Ekblad is my guess.....

So, either Andersson or Tanev is playing bottom pair RD for us? We would have:
4.55 mil x 4
4.95 x 3
6.75 x 2
4.5 x 4
and
7.5 x 5
=
28.25 mil

As a locked in D core for the next 2 seasons. With one of those contracts on our bottom pair at all times. Valimaki probably takes the 6th spot. That blocks Mackey from coming for at least 2 seasons unless another big move is made (and Kinnvall), and locks us in up front without a sean monahan replacement.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why did we sign Petrovic if not to be the unsexy bottom pair/7th RD? Why did we sign Nesterov if not to compete for the RD position on the bottom pair?

We already have unsexy bottom pair players, we really don't need another one.

They need guys in the AHL as well and able to slot in when called up.

Every team has these kinds of players on their overall rosters.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

So, either Andersson or Tanev is playing bottom pair RD for us? We would have:
4.55 mil x 4
4.95 x 3
6.75 x 2
4.5 x 4
and
7.5 x 5
=
28.25 mil

As a locked in D core for the next 2 seasons. With one of those contracts on our bottom pair at all times. Valimaki probably takes the 6th spot. That blocks Mackey from coming for at least 2 seasons unless another big move is made (and Kinnvall), and locks us in up front without a sean monahan replacement.

If we did Monahan for Ekblad we would definitely be moving Hanifin for a RW like Rakell or someone

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why did we sign Petrovic if not to be the unsexy bottom pair/7th RD? Why did we sign Nesterov if not to compete for the RD position on the bottom pair?

We already have unsexy bottom pair players, we really don't need another one.

Keep in mind this is just Dreger mindlessly attaching rumours to Canadian markets.

Treliving may see it as you do ... he's done

But if he's not ... it's likely a league min contract that can just be sent down and not count against the cap. The definition of adding NHL depth and not blocking a spot for a deserving player.

[dammage79]

I mean if you cpuld move Monahan for Risto and Cozens, that helps the future I guess. But is a gamble none the less.

[Enoch Root]

The Flames were 20th in goals for last year. Virtually the exact same team was 2nd the year prior. So which are they? While everything went right 2 years ago, offensively, I think everything pretty much went badly last year. And the truth for this team is somewhere in the middle.

Also, as transplant said, offence from the D was non-existent last year. They were on a pace for a total of 144 points. The prior year they had 198. Again, I think they are somewhere in the middle this year. I have posted before about the line in the sand of 150 points from the D core. Almost all playoff teams are above this, and most non-playoff teams are below it. I expect the Flames will be back north of 150 this year.

Then there is goaltending. I expect the Flames' goals against to improve this year. They were T16thlast year, and I expect they will improve on that this year.

Bottom line: their offense won't be as bad as last year, and their defense/goals against will be better. As a result, they will move from being a bubble team to a clear playoff team - most likely, 2nd in the division.

I am not overly concerned about the offense.

[Enoch Root]

Brodie wasn't 'replaced', but I think the transition game will be better this year, not worse.

Also not replaced was Hamonic, who was probably the weakest link on transition.

Andersson and Hanifin will get bigger roles, and they are pretty good on that front. Tanev is also better transitionally than some posters seem to think. Valimaki is also good, as is Nesterov.

I not only think we're fine without Brodie, I think we're improved overall.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Pro sports is a coin toss after the pieces are accumulated.

Teams that look to be in, generally add pieces at the deadline to shore things up, especially when two older guys in the top four are banged up.

The two additions certainly helped them get by Winnipeg and deep into a series with Dallas so I don't have a problem with them.

But a team that has four guys that young on their roster playing defense isn't blocking the road for young players on their roster.

That's pretty evident.

Not sure we're watching the same team then. I'm not convinced that either of our deadline acquisitions last year are an upgrade on Kyllington and Valimaki. I know that Valimaki was a special case this year but the same is true of Fantenberg the year before. In that instance, Valimaki was as clear and impactful a replacement for the Flames against the Avalanche as Makar was for the Avalanche.

I think Kyllington is better than Stone and has been for at least two full seasons. I have never seen Kyllington as a defensive liabilitiy or weakness as our roster. He occasionally makes mistakes but I don't find his gaffes more noticeable than guys like Hanifin. I think he's sounder defensively than Gustaffson and has just as much offensive upside but is being restrained by the coaching staff. He's an asset that we can control for a lengthy period. I don't understand what Treliving is doing with him.

Beyond that, I think the future of this league is building your roster around strong skaters and Treliving does not seem to get or value that.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

Not sure we're watching the same team then. I'm not convinced that either of our deadline acquisitions last year are an upgrade on Kyllington and Valimaki. I know that Valimaki was a special case this year but the same is true of Fantenberg the year before. In that instance, Valimaki was as clear and impactful a replacement for the Flames against the Avalanche as Makar was for the Avalanche.

I think Kyllington is better than Stone and has been for at least two full seasons. I have never seen Kyllington as a defensive liabilitiy or weakness as our roster. He occasionally makes mistakes but I don't find his gaffes more noticeable than guys like Hanifin. I think he's sounder defensively than Gustaffson and has just as much offensive upside but is being restrained by the coaching staff. He's an asset that we can control for a lengthy period. I don't understand what Treliving is doing with him.

Beyond that, I think the future of this league is building your roster against strong skaters and Treliving does not seem to get or value that.

Well, Valimaki wasn't available as he hadn't played all year. And Kylington (last year's version) wasn't moving the needle so I don't think any of the acquisitions were worse. And I would argue some were better (Gustafsson offensively, and Forbort defensively).

I just don't see the problem with adding depth. As Bingo said, it is not getting in the way of young guys progressing.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He just added one of the better goaltenders in the league so I just don't understand his mindset here as the biggest issue by far next season will be where the goals are going to come from. If Gaudreau and Monahan can't get out of their funk this team is going to have a problem putting pucks in the net.

Story of the offseason right there.

Markstrom already cuts your GA down more than any D would.

Now you need to increase your GF. Outside of banking on growth from Mangiapane, Dube and a big & healthy season from Leivo, he hasn't addressed this. And now he's fishing for a #5D. What the hell did he take away from the playoffs? Giving us the Arizona Coyotes treatment.

[DomeFoam]

If we fizzle out first round again with Monahan and Gaudreau still on the roster, should Treliving be on the hot seat? Or should he be given next offseason to address our weakness in the top 6?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

If we fizzle out first round again with Monahan and Gaudreau still on the roster, should Treliving be on the hot seat? Or should he be given next offseason to address our weakness in the top 6?

Huh.. deja vu.

Literally the same conversation was had this spring.

We fizzled out, and people have given him the chance to address the top 6. And he's running with the same horses, yet again. Maybe fifth time's the charm (next will be 5th playoffs with 13 and 23 leading the offense).

[Nelson]

I didn't like the Tanev signing.

Other than that, I've been pretty happy with the Flames' offseason so far. The draft was great, especially because of trading down twice and still getting Zary. The free agent signings have been good. Treliving has made some really good value signings and gotten the top goaltender available.

I'm willing to give Treliving the benefit of the doubt. I'm gonna take a wait and see approach.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Story of the offseason right there.

Markstrom already cuts your GA down more than any D would.

Now you need to increase your GF. Outside of banking on growth from Mangiapane, Dube and a big & healthy season from Leivo, he hasn't addressed this. And now he's fishing for a #5D. What the hell did he take away from the playoffs? Giving us the Arizona Coyotes treatment.

Are you under the impression that he is only allowed, or able, to look at one change at a time?