[Signing] Flames sign Chris Tanev (4 years, $4.5 million AAV)

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Tanev plays gritty and is a warrior but he’s not necessarily the most physical. He doesn’t actually throw a lot of body checks according to his stats. Honestly the only Flames regular dman he’s more physical than was Brodie, he throws fewer hits than Gio.

Not that the stat means anything or is an indication of being a good dman, but if people are looking for a big, mean dman that’s not what you’re getting with Tanev.

Not sure how he rates on Ricardos GRIT statistic but judging by his reaction not that good.

No he isnt Engelland but he plays a very tough game...he is miserable in puck battles along the boards and certainly no shrinking violet in front of the net.

Good player for sure even if the term is a bit long, the money is right as far as UFA goes for 2nd pairing guys.

Then you add in his shot blocking etc, and he is a gritty no-nonsense defender who can skate and make a pass out of his zone. This team was woefully short of such last year.

And as far as hits go? (not aimed at you specifically) That stat may be the most meaningless in the NHL. It is so subjective and varies wildly from arena to arena and the off ice guys/gals that track them.

IIRC about 5 years ago the Panthers had 3 of the top 10 "hitters" in the league. It was absurd.

[3rd Degree]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Fairly safely too. There are more attractive picks from the forwards on the Flames. Even with a Lucic waiver you have to expose either Mangiapane or Dube. In addition you are probably exposing Rittich unless he’s been traded.

They will not be exposing mangiapane or dube. Who are the 7 forwards that you’d keep over either of those two?

[Zarley]

I think this is an upgrade on Brodie - good signing. Some of the takes in this thread are absurd, yikes.

[VladtheImpaler]

I have been a big fan of Tanev over the years. The key word being "years"... I would have loved this contract 5 years ago. Now, I am scared. That's one body with many, many hard miles on it. I am an old guy, but I am progressively seeing more and more value in the analytics, as they evolve to more accurately describe and isolate individual players. I am scared when I look at Tanev's metrics.

I don't know whether to blame Burke for the "dinosaur" outlook of our management or if this has always been here, but this constant wastage of money and assets on "character" or "size" or "truculence" is really frustrating. I am in favour of all 3, but, dammit, actual ability to play the modern game should be a pre-requisite. Yelle, Iginla, Regehr, McCrimmon, etc could all play hockey well, as defined by their respective eras of the game. Brouwer, Hamonic, etc could not.

I agree with SuperMatt - what is the f-ing rush? Why do we HAVE to sign Brouwer or Neal or Tanev right in the beginning of free agency? Does Treliving get caught up in the moment and panic that we won't be able to get "anything"? Or, is our pro scouting/evaluation horrible and we constantly target bad players? I mean, wait a week and see who is desperate for a job or who is desperate to clear cap. Maybe you can get Nate Schmidt for free or Hjalmarsson + asset or whatever else comes up. My amateur psych assessment is that Treliving suffers from lack of patience and tunnel vision...

Obviously, Chris Tanev can come here and play at the level he had 5 years ago - then, this is a fantastic signing. I hope that happens! But, if I were to bet money, that is a poor bet, given age, health, and analytic trends...

Tanev has been one of my most-respected players in the NHL for years. But, going forward... seems like similar timing to the Oilers' Lucic contract. But, I hope I am completely off, Tanev will be energized by a new environment with better defensemen around him and will be a great success.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Rittich will be. But they will have to expose a goalie.

That said, I would be sad to see Gio go if they picked him but it wouldn’t be an irreplaceable loss for the team at that point.

Im curious...what if they dont have one to expose?

Would Parsons be subject to being claimed?

I really dont know how that would work if they had all exempt guys and J Mark who cannot be exposed.

Im sure BT could just sign some guy from the ECHL or AHL and have him as the guy to expose though.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

They will not be exposing mangiapane or dube. Who are the 7 forwards that you’d keep over either of those two?

Monahan, Gaudreau, Backlund, Lindholm, Tkachuk are locks. I’m assuming Bennett, Dube and Mangiapane are signed so that’s three players for two spots. If Lucic waives.

I keep Dube for sure and then you have to decide based on this year’s play I guess.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im curious...what if they dont have one to expose?

Would Parsons be subject to being claimed?

I really dont know how that would work if they had all exempt guys and J Mark who cannot be exposed.

Im sure BT could just sign some guy from the ECHL or AHL and have him as the guy to expose though.

Last time Treliving signed some dude to expose him.

[868904]

With regards to the "mileage", there really isn't a lot of miles on the odometer.

Sure he's 30, but because of the injuries, he's only played 514 games compared to the 634 games that Brodie has played.

A lot of the injuries that Tanev has suffered, according to Blaster and Canucks fans have been of the freak variety.

Yes I admit that Tanev's "mileage" is harder than Brodies', but that's a reason why you want him. Because he lays it out there.

Overall, the "mileage" between Brodie and Tanev is probably about the same. I'm sure Tanev will age more just due to how he plays the game, but that's exactly what this team needs, more "Stephane Yelle" type players.

Even if Brodie was willing to re-sign with the Flames, the team still should have been looking for someone like Tanev. In fact, the 4th line needs at least 2 more of this type of player.

I'm actually hoping that Van Asten can help Tanev out in keeping his body in better shape and avoiding injuries. I feel like the Flames have been better in this regard since he joined. The Canucks have always had issues with injuries to their players, must be the extra travel they have to endure or maybe it's something in the water.

And if we are talking about health risk, let's not forget what happened to Brodie last year.

[Niemo]

If we expose Tanev, does he get claimed?

[Yamer]

I think the best thing that could have happened to oft-injured players was the Covid break. There might be a slew of rested, refreshed, and healed players back on their game in January.

[Computerjungle]

Was wondering if Markstrom had influence in this decision?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Slept on it last night, and I dislike this even more.


First off - no, I am not a negative debbie-downer on this site. Don't come with a rebuttal that I wouldn't be happy had they traded scrubs for MacKinnon - that's not me. I am a stupid pom-pom waving supportive presence on this site for the most part. Heck, I am one of the few posters that would be fine either with a complete rebuild or just minor changes and try again.



I haven't seen stats yet which demonstrate that Tanev isn't anything other than a defencemen who is regressing. No, not everyone is super amazed that Calgary got this guy - many see it as a big risk and an over-pay - on a guy that you shouldn't over-pay on.


Everyone describes him just like they described Hamonic. "Won't put up points, but he is extremely solid defensively", "warrior", "will do anything to help your team win", "leadership", "loved by his teammates", "decent first pass and won't panic". When you directly compare the two simply on counting stats, Hamonic plays more games. They both entered the league during the 2010-11 season.


Over the last 5 seasons
Player: ------GP------P

Hamonic ----314 ----77

Tanev ---------288 ----69


Other things that I don't like:


He was moved off of a tandem with Hughes because they were getting smashed out there as a pairing. He was replaced with Myers, and the pair did better together. I would love to see if this was true or not - I would love to see analytics showing his team mates with and without him.


Maybe I will feel better seeing more anaytics, but some of the stuff that has been posted here already are not positive and only make me feel worse about this signing. I think this is going to be a big mistake.



I know some of the resident Canuck posters here like him and think this was a decent signing, but others are calling this signing a bit crazy, given the term and how Tanev is deteriorating. The Canucks should have given him this contract as a reward for his past work, not the Flames - I will be surprised if he lives up to this deal. I hope he does. I would much rather be a pom pom waving cheerleader about everything, but it seems like this contract is going to stink.

[N-E-B]

For me this boils down to a case of liking the player but hating the contract. I have no doubt Tanev will bring something of value to the team but those numbers are hard to swallow for me.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Niemo

If we expose Tanev, does he get claimed?

I think Bennett/Kylington May be the most desirable of our expansion targets, no matter how many people think Seattle’s going to want a 38 year old Gio.

[rogermexico]

I was hoping that they would replace Brodie with someone with more offence — with Barrie or even bringing Gus back. A power-play specialist that you could shelter/manage situationally between second and third pair minutes. With Andersson trending towards a top pair guy you have that luxury.
But what would be even better would be making space for Vallimaki to get opportunities. I'm not saying slot him in as the power-play quarterback, but I like the prospect of him being an every night player on the third pair with opportunities to move up and get more situational time as available.
I think that having Tanev as opposed to Barrie gives you more options for both Hanifin and Vallimaki, and I like that.
I'm a fan of what Tanev brings defensively, but I understand the concerns about his durability, and I hope that some of those downward trending advanced metrics are a product of where the Canucks were at the last few years.
Over all I think we've signed a good defensive #4 option here that will enable Andersson, Hanifin and Vallimaki to all develop without blocking any of them on the depth chart, and I think that's really important.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Well, this isn't what was I hoping for this morning....
Feels like an overpayment for another player with some questions hanging over his head about longevity and ability over 30.
Then again, maybe it all works out.


Flames really need to add some offence somewhere though.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Last time Treliving signed some dude to expose him.

Tom McCollum.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Last time Treliving signed some dude to expose him.

That was defensemen, Bartkowski. A goalie just as to be an RFA.

A piece on expansion rules

When making players available in the draft, teams can protect seven forwards, three defensemen and a goalie, or eight skaters and a goalie, with these provisos:

Players with no-movement clauses who decline to waive those clauses must be protected.
First- and second-year NHL players and all unsigned draft choices are exempt from selection and do not count toward protection limits.

One available player must be a defenseman who is under contract in 2021-22 and played at least 40 NHL games in 2020-21 or 70 games in ’19-20 and ’20-21 combined.

Two available players must be forwards who are under contract in 2021-22 and played at least 40 NHL games in 2020-21 or 70 games in ’19-20 and ’20-21 combined.

One available player must be a goalie who is under contract in 2021-22 or who is a restricted free agent having received a qualifying offer from his team.

Players who missed the final 60 games of the ’20-21 season or who have otherwise been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury cannot be exposed in the draft without league approval.

Parsons and Zagidulin both fit the goaltending criteria.
If Gio or Tanev is exposed, the defense criteria is met.
Lucic will meet half the forward criteria, we need to sign 1 forward for 2 years that we will definitely expose.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Tanev plays gritty and is a warrior but he’s not necessarily the most physical. He doesn’t actually throw a lot of body checks according to his stats. Honestly the only Flames regular dman he’s more physical than was Brodie, he throws fewer hits than Gio.

Not that the stat means anything or is an indication of being a good dman, but if people are looking for a big, mean dman that’s not what you’re getting with Tanev. We’re not getting a Regehr or even Sarich physical type of shutdown dman.

Not sure how he rates on Ricardos GRIT statistic but judging by his reaction not that good.

Same as Gio. Heart and knowledge but a rational fear of a career ending contact.

Hamonic was the same after Gundbransson broke his face.

Right now Hanifin is the closest thing to a physical deterrent with Anderson grabbing people after the fact.

Expecting Forbort or equivalent to be signed before the start of camp.

The Dillon contract for 4x 3.9 checked a lot more boxes for the Flames than the Tanev 4 x 4.5 deal.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

Well, this isn't what was I hoping for this morning....
Feels like an overpayment for another player with some questions hanging over his head about longevity and ability over 30.
Then again, maybe it all works out.


Flames really need to add some offence somewhere though.

Maybe they could get the 2018-19 versions of Gaudreau, Monahan and Lindholm.