[Signing] Flames sign Chris Tanev (4 years, $4.5 million AAV) - Page 20 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

dino7c · 10-09-2020, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That is true, I do not know what happened with Brodie. But I do feel that Brad is learning, a few more off-season should do the trick.

If Tre traded Talbot and Brodie for Markstrom and Tanev at the deadline we would have been erecting statues of a him (and that wouldn't be the only thing erect)

that is basically what happened today

powderjunkie · 10-09-2020, 10:35 PM

premium alternatives:
Dumba/Barrie/Vatanen/Hamonic - each have their own caveats

bargain alternatives:
Ceci/Bogosian/TVR/Rutta/Pysyk/Engelland - each have their own caveats, none are a great option to play 18 mins a night

Maybe it would have been better to dig through the bargain bin and pray it works out, but the die are cast and this team is hellbent on competing whether they are actually close/ready to or not. The extra million here on Tanev isn't going to make or break anything.

topfiverecords · 10-09-2020, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

The Flames really better hope that Tanev isn't the same player as his last 2 years.

2013-16 Tanev: Very good player.
2016-18 Tanev: Very meh player.
2018-20 Tanev: Massive oof.

That’s some great in depth analysis. Amazing you put that together so fast on a holiday weekend evening no less.

Jiri Hrdina · 10-09-2020, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Tbh, I just read the r/hockey thread for this signing that's full of Canucks fans calling the Flames jerks for ripping their heart out by stealing Tanev.

There is a sliver of me that has hope.

Yeah I don’t pay much attention to fan posts but I’m surprised at the utter sadness some have over losing these guys. Seems like both were favorites

Crown Royal · 10-09-2020, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

So , I guess that’s a difference in opinion or projection.

I don’t believe Bennett has proved yet that he is a legit 3C.

Ryan has, IMO. Things can change though. Regardless, still a good contract, as

there was No acquisition cost.

I would much prefer Ryan at 3C (and on the team) than Bennett, but we all know that isn't going to be happening because of the playoffs and that means Ryan will be overpaid for his role. Also, Ryan also makes enough where moving his salary actually moves the needle after signing a replacement.

GioforPM · 10-09-2020, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

If Tre traded Talbot and Brodie for Markstrom and Tanev at the deadline we would have been erecting statues of a him (and that wouldn't be the only thing erect)

that is basically what happened today

That’s not a bad way to put it.

Wood · 10-09-2020, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

The Flames really better hope that Tanev isn't the same player as his last 2 years.

2013-16 Tanev: Very good player.
2016-18 Tanev: Very meh player.
2018-20 Tanev: Massive oof.

This isn't true at all

He just had one of his better seasons this year if you trust Canuck fans. He tied his best regular season in points, he was 2nd behind only Hughes for points by defenseman in the playoffs, he scored a series winning clutch goal to beat Minny, all while being a leader and the best defensive dman on the team

Also even though it keeps getting mentioned that Tanev is incapable of staying healthy and playing over 70 games, it's worth mentioning the Canucks only played 69 games this season. Chris Tanev played all 69, he didn't miss a single game

KootenayFlamesFan · 10-09-2020, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

So , I guess that’s a difference in opinion or projection.

I don’t believe Bennett has proved yet that he is a legit 3C.

Ryan has, IMO. Things can change though. Regardless, still a good contract, as

there was No acquisition cost.

The Ryan contract has been a no-brainer solid deal imo. Very smart, responsible player. Everything the team could ask for.

IF Bennett surpasses him then that's great for the Flames. And if they trade Ryan for that reason, that's fine. But until then, I have no idea how anyone could be upset with that UFA contract.

timbit · 10-09-2020, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Hamonic: $3.875 (why this much? I never liked it)

Tanev: $4.5M

It cost an extra $600k to replace a player that cost a 1st and two 2nds.

It’s a bargain if they produce at similar levels. Hamonic’s fancy stats are just as appalling as Tanev’s, outside the years Brodie and Hanifin dragged him around.

I’ve never had a problem with Tanev watching the Canucks play. I suspect he’ll become a fan favorite, though it’s aways possible Loubardias poisons the well with hyperbolic tales of Tanev being the finest human being to ever lace up a pair of skates.

Completely different, IMO. How much money would you pay to acquire a 1st and 2 second round picks.

That has to be part of your argument in justifying your negative opinion of Tanev’s contract.

Burn13 · 10-09-2020, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

That’s not a bad way to put it.

Retaining $1.8M in salary on todays deals.

Beatle17 · 10-09-2020, 10:42 PM

First off I like this signing, don't really care about the money for any contract. The Flames couldn't play defense worth a #### last year and this guy should help. If Brodie wanted to be in Calgary he would be, but I am sure the NMC in Toronto cemented the move for him. I NEVER want to hear another player say "it's not about the money" when they leave for free agency again. It is ALWAYS about the money, first/last/only.

Second, why do we have to bring up Brouwer and Neal in every discussion. At the time of their signings they were two of the top ranked FA's in their years. Brouwer was misused by Gullatzan and Neal just decided that he could quit playing. Nobody saw either of them failing when they were signed, so can we quit with the revisionist thinking about how everyone is smarter than the GM, it ruins too many discussions.

Jetfire · 10-09-2020, 10:42 PM

I’m totally fine with this signing. Good, solid defenceman to stabilize the second pair and help Hanifin to continue his progression. Nice upgrade on Hamonic for only 1m more, and then with Valimaki healthy our D should be good to go.

GioforPM · 10-09-2020, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

The Ryan contract has been a no-brainer solid deal imo. Very smart, responsible player. Everything the team could ask for.

IF Bennett surpasses him then that's great for the Flames. And if they trade Ryan for that reason, that's fine. But until then, I have no idea how anyone could be upset with that UFA contract.

The other alternative is to trade Bennett, though you don’t save as much money right now.

Dajazz · 10-09-2020, 10:42 PM

I’m flabbergasted that Treliving couldn’t get Brodie done.

Chris Tanev same term but half a million less? That is a #### deal in comparison.

Why wouldn’t he sign Brodie for that money?

timbit · 10-09-2020, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

You guys should argue about Ryan in another thread

It’s a comparative that a poster brought up. I responded.

Got a problem with that?

Crown Royal · 10-09-2020, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

The Ryan contract has been a no-brainer solid deal imo. Very smart, responsible player. Everything the team could ask for.

IF Bennett surpasses him then that's great for the Flames. And if they trade Ryan for that reason, that's fine. But until then, I have no idea how anyone could be upset with that UFA contract.

No one is upset with it, just saying if he's going to be in the 4th line he should be moved and replaced with someone more affordable.

DazzlinDino · 10-09-2020, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jore

He couldn't learn with Brouwer, Neal, Stone? This is the contract that learns him?

I think he is being sarcastic?

I am more disappointed that we couldn't get more assets for Brodie, or Travis Hamonic. For the length of time Travis Hamonic was a Flame he didn't put us over the edge. That to me is not progress. Does Brad know what kind of team he is building? Hopefully the Flames have more decent trades!

GioforPM · 10-09-2020, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Burn13

Retaining $1.8M in salary on todays deals.

Or just accepting you are paying more for Markstrom.

Aarongavey · 10-09-2020, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

If Tre traded Talbot and Brodie for Markstrom and Tanev at the deadline we would have been erecting statues of a him (and that wouldn't be the only thing erect)

that is basically what happened today

Agreed, like I said Markstrom was a very good signing Brad followed that up with this one. Markstrom tips the scales. Now we just need to find out what the salary will be shed for this compared to last year, because with a flat cap Markstrom and Tanev will cost 3.1 million more than what Brodie and Talbot did, so one would think that the Flames will have to shed some salary, all things being equal.

theinfinitejar · 10-09-2020, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Beatle17

Second, why do we have to bring up Brouwer and Neal in every discussion. At the time of their signings they were two of the top ranked FA's in their years. Brouwer was misused by Gullatzan and Neal just decided that he could quit playing. Nobody saw either of them failing when they were signed,

Some of us would prefer our management learned from their mistakes. And don’t make me dig up the Brouwer thread.