[Rumour] Flames close to signing G Jacob Markstrom

[ResAlien]

Mayhaps Carolina came swooping in with big dollars driving up the price? Such intrigue

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Oilers don't have any cap space. Doubt they are big fish shopping on the Goalie market

Yup they likely turn to Crawford or Greiss

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

he just keeps getting older and older

What do you mean? He will be 31 years old at the start of the deal.. and the rumored ask is 7 years

[Dragomir]

I’d be ok with Crawford as well, it’s not like Markstrom makes us contenders right away anyways.

[Makarov]

Remember when Markstrom was signing in Calgary for $4.5M/4 years? Those were simpler times.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

What do you mean? He will be 31 years old at the start of the deal.. and the rumored ask is 7 years

IF it is 7 years, that's 31 through 37

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

I’d be ok with Crawford as well, it’s not like Markstrom makes us contenders right away anyways.

I dunno, if he can take Vancouver to the 2nd round he can probably drag Tkachuk and co to the WCF

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by dammage79

They're signing away all of the cap space so fast they don't even have room to sign good d men which they really need.

The Flames could use a d-man, too. Hoping this deal gets done so the Flames can focus on their other needs.

Imagine the hold up is the Flames are in on Pietrangelo?

[868904]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Brad is a strong negotiator. I think he's grinding down that dollar and term as much as possible.

I think he learned from green lighting previous UFA proposals on the table too soon.

He's a good negotiator when he has leverage, ie, in RFA negotiations.

For UFA deals, he tends to pay a premium.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

what I meant was, he said 6x6 or 7x6

if Markstrom is demanding the 7th year, the give back would be that it doesn't come at the full price of the first 6 years

that's how negotiations work

Mackenzie is awesome, but that doesn't mean that every single thing he speculates is exactly right

Yes but my point is that if Mckenzie is saying these numbers then they are coming from somewhere. This isn't Eric Francis, if McKenzie is speculating term and dollars to everyone, that's the numbers he's getting from his sources.

The fact that you'd just take one of the best and most reliable hockey guys out there and just assume he's wrong because "that's not how it works" is, as i said, bold of you.

What I take away from what Mackenzie said is simply the AAV will be around 6, and that Markstrom wants 7 and Flames may be willing to go 6. The final numbers will simply come around these ranges unless something changes and another side get more leverage.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

IF it is 7 years, that's 31 through 37

Regardless.. that term is obviously a legitimate concern for the Flames, as it should be.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dammage79

They're signing away all of the cap space so fast they don't even have room to sign good d men which they really need.

OIlers have about $4-4.5M left and need to re-sign Bear and then two more defensemen to go with him. Even if they push two kids into the lineup they are left with $3M to sign Bear. They aren't a player for anything at the moment.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

I’d be ok with Crawford as well, it’s not like Markstrom makes us contenders right away anyways.

I have been extremely anti-Markstrom.
But I actually think Markstrom + Hall could make the Flames potential contenders for this year.
I just hate the long term consequences.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The fact that Edmonton hasn’t signed a goalie leads me to believe that their offer of 7 years at around $5.5M is still on the table...

If Markström already declined that offer and ended negotiations with Edmonton I would be surprised if he then went back to them that the same deal is still on the table.

[united]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Think the first one is goals saved above average courtesy of Natural Stat Trick (it's bad that I can identify those rankings just based on how much I've been looking at Natural Stat Trick lately)

Close but not exactly. Goals saved above expectation per minute is what I use. Should be closely correlated to goals saved above average but is more accurate in appropriate sample sizes I've found. With the caveat this is goalies we are talking about here so any talk of accuracy is somewhat amusing in itself.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

What do you mean? He will be 31 years old at the start of the deal.. and the rumored ask is 7 years

Markström turns 31-years-old on 31 January 2021.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Exactly ... as I said earlier.

This is more grave for the Markstrom the longer it goes on.

Aren't they both in a similar position? Who is the Flames plan B?

I don't know that Markstrom's situation is grave.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Remember when Markstrom was signing in Calgary for $4.5M/4 years? Those were simpler times.

Nobody actually thought that was real though

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

Yes but my point is that if Mckenzie is saying these numbers that they are coming from somewhere. This isn't Eric Francis, if McKenzie is speculating term and dollars to everyone, that's the numbers he's getting from his sources.

The fact that you'd just take one of the best and most reliable hockey guys out there and just assume he's wrong because "that's not how it works" is, as i said, bold of you.

What I take away from what Mackenzie said is simply the AAV will be around 6, and that Markstrom wants 7 and Flames may be willing to go 6. The final numbers will simply come around these ranges unless something changes and another side get more leverage.

I said 'I think' he's wrong.

Great that you think he's infallible, and right on the money with all things that aren't yet knowable. And sorry that the fact that I don't agree with him here upsets you.

[Dragomir]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I have been extremely anti-Markstrom.
But I actually think Markstrom + Hall could make the Flames potential contenders for this year.
I just hate the long term consequences.

That is possible but I see no way that we can afford both unless Johnny gets moved for picks.... We still have Mangiapane to sign and others as well