2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Nothing too violent or bloody. He's a Canuck fan, but not an animal.

You're too kind. Something I don't see coming, to mimic the OEL trade would be fantastic.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I never said that the anecdote doesn't count. But I think it is important that before counting on this as a formula for winning we should at least attempt to understand it. Simply put: what is the reason Stanley Cup winning teams have won consistently with drafted goalies? I think with such a small sample size that it is more likely to be a coincidence than pointing to an actual factor.


As someone who has long advocated for continuing Rittich's development in Calgary, I agree. But again, I am not comfortable with insisting on this as necessary without a clear understanding of the reason for the phenomenon. Even a working theory would be better than nothing, which is what we have right now.


It was more than just a bad game. Talbot was solid in the play-in, but mostly as a result of how well the Flames were pushing the Jets to the outside and eliminating chances. Listen to Bingo's and Jiri's discussion about goalies in the last CP Radio instalment, and I think this makes a very good case for a needed change: Talbot's fundamentals are okay, but not great. He is a blocking goalie who plays the angles, but is often victimized by good shooters in HD scoring areas. If the Flames want to succeed, then they need a more talented goalie—it is as simple as that. Maybe Rittich is that goalie, but if not, then this is an issue which will continue to persist until it is resolved. That only happens by way of a trade—which expends more assets, through free agency, or by simply waiting and hoping that Wolfe is eventually that guy.

If nothing else, I've enjoyed reading your opinions without any verbal abuse. That's a nice change from the normal around here. As it is, I'll live with our present goalies while we improve at Centre & RW. I would definitely move Gaudreau because I don't see any other way to improve.I

[getbak]

Sportsnet ranks the top 10 UFA defencemen: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...men-available/

Brodie is 4th behind Pietrangelo, Krug, and Barrie. Shattenkirk is 5th. Hamonic is 6th.

[Ashasx]

I can't imagine how the Canucks can make this work. They might be able to balance out cap for this year, but when they really need the cap space they're going to be in big trouble if they pick up OEL.

If I were a GM I'm this league, I have no obligation to bail out the Coyotes from the financial mess they are in. They are the ones who have to trade this player.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If I were a GM I'm this league, I have no obligation to bail out the Coyotes from the financial mess they are in. They are the ones who have to trade this player.

Which is why every time I say an offer it is almost an exact copy of the Kelser and Luongo deals from years ago.

Bottom 6/Bottom pairing roster player, cap dump, middling pick/prospect.

Arizona cannot hold onto OEL. They cannot afford him. They are literally struggling to meet current economic requirements, let alone once the season is on and having to pay salaries again. They have to move this player, but they gave OEL an NMC and in turn they now only have two teams they can play ball with. Like Luongo with Tampa/Florida and Kesler with Anaheim/Pittsburgh. In both deals, the Canucks got: a bottom 6/bottom pairing roster player, a cap dump and a middling pick/prospect.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Apparently Jimmy Hayes is now saying

To Philly: Gaudreau, Bennett
To Calgary: Voracek, Gostisbehere, Frost

Flames take on over $4M in cap space and give up by far the best player. Can’t be true simply can’t be

Flames give up $9.35M and take on $13.5M? There would have to be another salary heading Philly's way, or a 1st round pick coming back with that deal. The other alternative is for the Flyers to retain 20% of Voracek's contract ($1.65M), and then 30% of Gostisbehere ($1.35) making it almost square on salaries. Voracek at $6.6M and Gostisbehere at $3.15 is very palatable, especially when you get Frost in the deal. Find some way to move Lucic and you can still afford Hall and then have a pretty formidable lineup. I would be pretty happy if they could make those moves.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by New Era

Flames give up $9.35M and take on $13.5M? There would have to be another salary heading Philly's way, or a 1st round pick coming back with that deal. The other alternative is for the Flyers to retain 20% of Voracek's contract ($1.65M), and then 30% of Gostisbehere ($1.35) making it almost square on salaries. Voracek at $6.6M and Gostisbehere at $3.15 is very palatable, especially when you get Frost in the deal. Find some way to move Lucic and you can still afford Hall and then have a pretty formidable lineup. I would be pretty happy if they could make those moves.

Friedman believes Bennett is not being traded and is a “real big part” of what the team does going forward.

Friedman on Gaudreau: (paraphrasing) “if he makes that trade, it’s going to make sense to all of us why he made that trade”, and this trade makes no sense because it’s awful value for Calgary.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Before people were okay with Bennett being traded but said his value was low... Now, his value is fine so why not go ahead and make the move.

The hockey fan trade paradox: It’s dumb to trade a player when he’s playing poorly because his value is low. But you’re crazy to trade someone when he’s playing well.

[Bonded]

OEL for Boeser + 1st. Do it Benning

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Bonded

OEL for Boeser + 1st. Do it Benning

I don't know you, but I hope you get a cold sore.

Edit- As an aside, people are now talking as though it is Vancouver or bust for OEL. Either Boston dropped or OEL has removed Boston from his list. Talks is Vancouver now has all the leverage in this deal.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Friedman believes Bennett is not being traded and is a “real big part” of what the team does going forward.

Friedman on Gaudreau: (paraphrasing) “if he makes that trade, it’s going to make sense to all of us why he made that trade”, and this trade makes no sense because it’s awful value for Calgary.

I seriously doubt Friedman knows what is going on in Calgary. For Bennett to be "a real big part" of what the does going forward the team has to be goddamn sure he's going to repeat his playoff performance and not his regular season performance. Sadly, we've been in this exact same spot twice before and we know how both of those instances played out. A smart person recognizes these trends and hedges their bets, not go all in on a high risk hand. If what Friedman says is true, Treliving is pushing in the very last of his chips, and doing so one some real sketchy cards.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by New Era

Find some way to move Lucic and you can still afford Hall and then have a pretty formidable lineup. I would be pretty happy if they could make those moves.

They won’t find some way to move Lucic though. His NMC and huge contract have him stuck here and if he is somehow moved it is not with a pile of cap space coming back to Calgary

[Bonded]

Gaudreau + Lucic for Voracek, Ghost, and Frost is the only I would be okay with that trade. Even I would be iffy.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I don't know you, but I hope you get a cold sore.

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Lol just for that I am now predicting Benning will go all in and offer Boeser, 1st, and their best prospect.

[AustinL_NHL]

Thank God he's no longer an option for the Flames.

Awful contract.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1312148275928023040

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by New Era

I seriously doubt Friedman knows what is going on in Calgary. For Bennett to be "a real big part" of what the does going forward the team has to be goddamn sure he's going to repeat his playoff performance and not his regular season performance. Sadly, we've been in this exact same spot twice before and we know how both of those instances played out. A smart person recognizes these trends and hedges their bets, not go all in on a high risk hand. If what Friedman says is true, Treliving is pushing in the very last of his chips, and doing so one some real sketchy cards.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Lol just for that I am now predicting Benning will go all in and offer Boeser, 1st, and their best prospect.

I hope it's a really bad out break and everyone points it out when they talk to you too.

[JurassicTunga12]

Apparently on TSN 1040, Matt Sekeres said that he knows for a fact that Markstrom told his agent under no circumstances will he sign in Edmonton or Detroit, but he does have interest in signing in Calgary(as well as Colorado or Toronto), but top priority is Vancouver.

LOL.
Stupid Oilers.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Thank God he's no longer an option for the Flames.

Awful contract.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1312148275928023040

Yikes!

Looking at the deals given out already this off-season, Gustafsson is going to make his money this off-season.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Apparently on TSN 1040, Matt Sekeres said that he knows for a fact that Markstrom told his agent under no circumstances will he sign in Edmonton or Detroit, but he does have interest in signing in Calgary(as well as Colorado or Toronto), but top priority is Vancouver.

LOL.
Stupid Oilers.

Beyond it just being Edmonton, and the terrible Oilers franchise, there could not possibly be a worst goalie job in the league. Who would sign up for that? Are you ready to face 40+ unimpeded shots on goal per night and get blamed when your team loses???