2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Husky]

Forbort will most likelt get a $2 ish mm per year for 3-4 years. He is a solid #5D that is solid on the pk and a decent age.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Husky

Forbort will most likelt get a $2 ish mm per year for 3-4 years. He is a solid #5D that is solid on the pk and a decent age.

I think Forbot signs a show me deal, just because of how his injury impacted his season. He was looking like a 4-5 guy before the injury, taking 1-2 year deal
around 1.5m to show he can still be a 4-5 might be in his best interest. Especially if the cap starts rising again in 3 years.

[Husky]

I think the Olesiak deal is what he is worth and signs for. Same kinda D

[Barca]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

On the one side, we have Thatcher Demko, a 24-year old former 2nd round pick projected to be a franchise goalie right from the get-go. Going to be a stud for years to come as he continues to progress.

On the other side, we have Noah Hanifin, a 23-year old former 5th overall pick that never had the hype or expectations from the get-go to be a top notch defenseman. He was strictly chosen that high just because the Carolina Hurricanes thought "Why not?". Going to be a mediocre 3-5 D-man for years to come as he has no hope to progress.

Did I get that right?

GK/Ds have different paths to progression tho...

Goaltenders often have to play behind a current #1 GK and earn their job.

defencemen, especially high draft picks usually get have a clearer path.

Hanifin was given every chance to be that guy for Carolina but instead he got traded at 21.

Hanifin has been a minus player for 4 out of his 5 years in the NHL and as Blaster has said, is the same player as he was with Carolina if you watch him closely...

He's like Hamilton minus the offensive ceiling. Teams don't trade young stud Dmen unless they see flaws in their game, especially Carolina who values defencemen alot.

If Hanifin had the value some here thinks he does, Carolina would've traded him in a separate deal not as a package for Ferland and Fox.

Demko is and was always going to be a #1 goaltender, you can go all the way back to his college and Utica days. On his draft he was seen as our goaltender of the future.. he was a dominant goaltender that got steadily better every year. to insinuate (not saying you) his performance in the playoffs as fluke and 'out of nowhere' is just salty talk.

Ian Clark has a lot to say on who will be our #1 GK and if we go with Demko, that says a lot.

I end with this..

forget the salaries and cap hits for a second, If the Canucks offer Demko straight up for Rittich, does Treleving says no?

[Husky]

Demko is a stud. Guy has always be highly touted. In college it was who was the next big college goalie - him or gilles. Gilles stopped progressing.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

You are right. 3.33m is absurd. just like you suggesting 700k is absurd. These types of comments are why I would never trust you to evaluate a defense-first defenseman; you underrate them to such a significant degree.

Hey I haven’t said anything about Forbort the player (although I am not a fan). Just looking at comparables.

Michael Stone is another guy who got 1 x $700k after a similarly unfortunate injury-plagued season.

[dissentowner]

Tyler Parsons was also pegged as a can't miss future NHL goalie. As a matter of fact scouts nicknamed him Quick jr. It could still come to fruition but it goes to show saying Demko was going to be or even is at this time a big ticket #1 goalie out to lunch. He might be, he might falter and fall off the planet. The NHL past is littered with goalies just like that who failed.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Barca

...Demko is and was always going to be a #1 goaltender, you can go all the way back to his college and Utica days. On his draft he was seen as our goaltender of the future.. he was a dominant goaltender that got steadily better every year. to insinuate (not saying you) his performance in the playoffs as fluke and 'out of nowhere' is just salty talk...

Whatever. There is NO GUARANTEE AT ALL that Demko will be a #1 NHL goaltender.

[Tbull8]

Random thought I had, some deal centered around Hanifin for Debrusk. I think Boston would add to it but just spitballing ideas

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Not at all. Demko was amazing at the AHL level before coming up. I believe he will adapt.

Again, the difference between Demko and Binnington or Murray is that Demko was expected to be that good. It wasn't really "out of nowhere"

But yes, playing "THAT" well over a full season would be absolutely unreal. I just hope it's got him over that hump of not remembering how to stop a puck in the first five minutes of the game.

I think a guy like Talbot or Rittich would be a good tandem with Demko. Guys who have played in the league for a few years and have played a 1a 1b type system before.

Help Demko get his feet wet in the league without all the pressure of having to be the guy right out of the gate.

Plus the cap hit could be something that the Canucks could absorb.

Wonder if a trade could be had to send Rittich there for a return that would include the rights to Markstrom?

Could perhaps could work for both sides.

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[Roof-Daddy]

If you're trading Hanifin for a forward it would sure be nice if it was a comparably aged center. Like Zacha or Domi for example.

[TheScorpion]

Zacha and Domi are two incredibly different targets. One has a career high of 72 points, the other has a career high of 32.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Zacha and Domi are two incredibly different targets. One has a career high of 72 points, the other has a career high of 32.

Yeah, Domi straight up and if its Zacha the Devils add.

[djsFlames]

Jankowski has similar numbers to Zacha. Am I missing something with this guy other than being slightly younger that makes him worth dealing for all intents and purposes our #2 Dman for?

Sounds like people have inhaled too much smoke the last few days.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Jankowski has similar numbers to Zacha. Am I missing something with this guy other than being slightly younger that makes him worth dealing for all intents and purposes our #2 Dman for?

Sounds like people have inhaled too much smoke the last few days.

First, it wasn't my idea to trade Hanifin, someone suggested swapping him for Debrusk and I responded by saying IF he's traded for a forward it should be a young C not a winger.

Second, I just replied before your post saying if it was Zacha it would have to be Zacha +

And thirdly, Hanifin is not our #2 Dman.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Treliving had the job for, what, 2-3 months at that point? The 2014 draft is widely considered to be Burke’s draft. If you’re going to fire shots, at least point the barrel in the right direction.

Are you this sanctimonious and condescending with everyone who says anything negative about Flames management, cuz there was pages and pages of vitriol directed at Tre in the "Should Treliving be Fired?"thread, and I don't recall seeing you policing anyone who "fired shots"-and there were many. Do you just sit and wait for someone to slip up, so you can swoop in and feel better about yourself?

I was simply making a joke about how Tre himself would like to go back in time and select Demko, and you pointed out that it was Burke's draft. Does this mean that we should deflect all blame away from Tre, and put it on Burke for anything that happened during his tenure here?

I doubt anyone is as big a fan of Treliving (or Burke) as I am. It wasn't a shot, just a joke-relax, keyboard warrior.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hey I haven’t said anything about Forbort the player (although I am not a fan). Just looking at comparables.

Michael Stone is another guy who got 1 x $700k after a similarly unfortunate injury-plagued season.

Maybe not in this thread, but I've seen you repeatedly call him terrible through the playoffs

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Has anyone linked Pietrangelo?

Hall - we've tried to acquire before, and he has Calgary connections.
Markstrom - Steinberg says he knows Flames are interested, and he is good buds with Lindholm.
Pietrangelo - ...?

Probably doesn't mean much but Pietrangelo and Brodie are good buddy's

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Husky

Demko is a stud. Guy has always be highly touted. In college it was who was the next big college goalie - him or gilles. Gilles stopped progressing.

He was passed on 35 times before being taken...he was a good prospect but certainly not a can't miss blue chipper

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Husky

Forbort will most likelt get a $2 ish mm per year for 3-4 years. He is a solid #5D that is solid on the pk and a decent age.

With a flat cap and some teams internal cap budget I can’t see any bottom pairing dmen getting 3-4 year term unless it’s at an incredible value