2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[kukkudo]

Im waiting for the Flames to strike out on all three and get the classic we were in on all of them etc. Next season fans will make the excuse well Tre did go after Hall, Markstrom, and Pietrangelo.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Get bent.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Im waiting for the Flames to strike out on all three and get the classic we were in on all of them etc. Next season fans will make the excuse well Tre did go after Hall, Markstrom, and Pietrangelo.

This wouldn't be a disaster.
It would be worse if the Flames overpaid for washed-up players like Wayne Simmonds.

There won't be many teams with cap space going into the 2021 free agency. If the Flames have cap space, they might have some pretty good opportunities.
Frederik Andersen, Jordan Binnington and Phillip Grubauer may all be UFAs by then.

[AC]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I would put it closer to 5x.

I see Forbort getting a league-minimum deal somewhere. $3.3 million is absurd.

I don't think he drops from $2.525M down to league minimum. But we'll see how many teams are interested.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I just don't put any stock into this argument about pedigree when it comes to goalies that were drafted outside the first round. All of these guys were already multiple years removed from the draft, and have had several years of professional development. Yes, in the sense that they were all pro goalies with well established minor league careers before ever starting in tbe NHL playoffs, they ALL came from "out of nowhere."

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"If you take away the fact that he was expected to be a fantastic goalie at the NHL level it is totally out of no where that he played like a fantastic goalie at the NHL level"

K.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I DON'T EVEN FEEL BAD MAN.

I'm sorry, please forgive me.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by AC

I don't think he drops from $2.525M down to league minimum. But we'll see how many teams are interested.

Maybe, but a) it's a flat cap and b) he's coming off a year where he missed the vast majority of the season with a bad back injury.

Guys like Jamie McGinn have gone from sought-after players to out of the league entirely after injuries like that.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

"If you take away the fact that he was expected to be a fantastic goalie at the NHL level it is totally out of no where that he played like a fantastic goalie at the NHL level"

K.

NO goalie prospect drafted in the 2nd round is ever 'expected to be a fantastic NHL goalie'

ONE successful playoff series and you have gone full obnoxious homer on your team.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

NO goalie prospect drafted in the 2nd round is ever 'expected to be a fantastic NHL goalie'

ONE successful playoff series and you have gone full obnoxious homer on your team.

No I haven't. Go back and read all the stuff put out about Demko in his draft year. He was expected to be a top-end goalie in the NHL. I'm not saying that he is, yet. But I am saying how he played wasn't something that no one had ever predicted.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

No I haven't. Go back and read all the stuff put out about Demko in his draft year. He was expected to be a top-end goalie in the NHL. I'm not saying that he is, yet. But I am saying how he played wasn't something that no one had ever predicted.

THIS GUY

He argues for two days that Hanifin (ranked 3rd overall behind two generational players and concencus #1 D) wasn't expected to be a top end D man and then says a goalie picked in the SECOND ROUND was supposedly pegged to be a top end NHL goalie.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

No I haven't. Go back and read all the stuff put out about Demko in his draft year. He was expected to be a top-end goalie in the NHL. I'm not saying that he is, yet. But I am saying how he played wasn't something that no one had ever predicted.

But what you are missing is that it is nothing particularly special. In other words, no one should care today about what was expected from Demko six years ago. It's meaningless It does not make him a special snowflake any different from other snowflakes like Binnington and Murray.

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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Now I want Hall, Markstrom AND Pietrangelo.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dino7c

THIS GUY

He argues for two days that Hanifin (ranked 3rd overall behind two generational players and concencus #1 D) wasn't expected to be a top end D man and then says a goalie picked in the SECOND ROUND was supposedly pegged to be a top end NHL goalie.

I'll keep arguing the Hanifin point if you want. I think he is what he is. A #3 to a #5 defenceman who is the exact same player now that he was when he was drafted and isn't going to get any better!

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But what you are missing is that it is nothing particularly special. In other words, no one should care today about what was expected from Demko six years ago. It's meaningless It does not make him a special snowflake any different from other snowflakes like Binnington and Murray.

It certainly doesn't make him a special snow flake, especially when you consider the other two came out of no where to win a cup. But it does change the "No one ever expected him to play this well!" thing, because people did. Hell the Canucks did they entire time, it's why he always had the "goalie of the future" tag.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

No I haven't...

I beg to differ. You have always been obnoxious.

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[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I'll keep arguing the Hanifin point if you want. I think he is what he is. A #3 to a #5 defenceman who is the exact same player now that he was when he was drafted and isn't going to get any better!

On the one side, we have Thatcher Demko, a 24-year old former 2nd round pick projected to be a franchise goalie right from the get-go. Going to be a stud for years to come as he continues to progress.

On the other side, we have Noah Hanifin, a 23-year old former 5th overall pick that never had the hype or expectations from the get-go to be a top notch defenseman. He was strictly chosen that high just because the Carolina Hurricanes thought "Why not?". Going to be a mediocre 3-5 D-man for years to come as he has no hope to progress.

Did I get that right?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I beg to differ. You have always been obnoxious.

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Sir, that's moving the goal posts. I will admit to being obnoxious. I will not admit to that being a homerific post. I'm saving alllllll of those for after we win our first game against the Flames next season. Even if we have lost every other game against them prior to that.

It's the fan version of a nuclear bomb.

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

On the one side, we have Thatcher Demko, a 24-year old former 2nd round pick projected to be a franchise goalie right from the get-go. Going to be a stud for years to come as he continues to progress.

On the other side, we have Noah Hanifin, a 23-year old former 5th overall pick that never had the hype or expectations from the get-go to be a top notch defenseman. He was strictly chosen that high just because the Carolina Hurricanes thought "Why not?". Going to be a mediocre 3-5 D-man for years to come as he has no hope to progress.

Did I get that right?

Yes, correct. I see no reason to argue it any further now that even AustinL_NHL understands the simplicity of it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

...It certainly doesn't make him a special snow flake, especially when you consider the other two came out of no where to win a cup. But it does change the "No one ever expected him to play this well!" thing, because people did. Hell the Canucks did they entire time, it's why he always had the "goalie of the future" tag.

If I concede the point, I am still unsure why it matters at all. The fact that people have been projecting Demko as a starter does not make him an NHL starter. The fact that the Canucks expected big things from him has nothing whatsoever to do with how or why he played three huge games in the playoffs.


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[Heavy Jack]

It is kinda true Blaster. It’s like when the Hanifin discussions started happening and all you could do was come in and say how thankful and right you were to not want to trade your 7th overall for a 5th overall that never lived up to expectations at still just 23 years of age lol.

Tka-checkout one of your teams recent 5th overalls when you want to look at a top 5 draft pick Dman that hasn’t lived up to expectations.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Eklund bringing the heat:

So Eklund has the Flames in big on Hall and Markstrom.

Trip down memory road - Eklund had the Phaneuf rumblings and the Phaneuf trade ahead of everyone, and no one believed him.

...could the Flames have used Steinberg to get word out that they want to sign Markstrom?

Could be Lindholm driven. I know if one of my closest friends was becoming a free agent, I thought my team was close and they needed someone in that position, you could bet your ass that I would be texting my boy telling him he should sign here.

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I would put it closer to 5x.

I see Forbort getting a league-minimum deal somewhere. $3.3 million is absurd.

You are right. 3.33m is absurd. just like you suggesting 700k is absurd. These types of comments are why I would never trust you to evaluate a defense-first defenseman; you underrate them to such a significant degree.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

If I concede the point, I am still unsure why it matters at all.

Truth is, doesn't matter at all. But it's fun to argue #### like that some times.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The fact that people have been projecting Demko as a starter does not make him an NHL starter. The fact that the Canucks expected big things from him has nothing whatsoever to do with how or why he played three huge games in the playoffs.

Correct. And those three games don't matter if he doesn't come into the regular season and remember that the game starts with 20 minutes in the first period and not 15.

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Tka-checkout one of your teams recent 5th overalls when you want to look at a top 5 draft pick Dman that hasn’t lived up to expectations.

You're not a very nice man. I hope you drop your next drink and are sad.