2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Enoch Root]

As I already said, the salary works. But ARI is getting hosed, talent-wise.

[bax]

I would also like to point out that since there are a decent amount of goalies available on the UFA and trade market, we might be able to drive the price down on Kuemper a little bit.

[TheScorpion]

Idk. I think Hanifin and OEL are almost identical players at this point, with the only real difference being that OEL plays, what, 90 seconds more per night? Can't check right now.

But I think contracts and age make Hanifin much more valuable.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I put this in the OEL thread earlier:

Hanifin
Kylington
Lucic
Ryan

for

OEL (1,500,000 retained)
Kuemper
Demers
Hall's rights


The cap hit's are almost dead even, including the retention.
It saves the Yotes over $30 million long term in real dollars, even with the retention.
Flames get OEL at a $6.75 million cap hit and new #1 goalie as well as a right hand top 4 Dman who is a UFA in 1 season and won't gum up the expansion protection list.

I like the idea of OEL and Kuemper, but I really don't want to see picks going the other way.

As long as Hall signs for $0, yes the cap in and out is even.

[Strange Brew]

Would you trade Hanifin straight up for OEL? Would Arizona?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

You know, except for the fact there's 6 years of age difference and about 4 million in cap difference and about what....3 years of term difference, yeah sure OEL is better than Hanifin.

Yall need some smelling salts.

OEL is a better Dman than Hanifin
Hanifin is a better option @ $4,950,000 than OEL @ $8,250,000

Knock OEL down to $6,750,000 though, and the value is suddenly pretty even IMO, so if I have the choice I take the better Dman in OEL at that price.

[Crown Royal]

If you you look purely at ability, then yes, OEL is better than Hanifin.

However, you can't just look at that. Hanifin is younger and still developing and he is signed to a SIGNIFICANTLY better contract, in both term and dollars.

I also want to point out that despite the rumors that Arizona will be using an internal budget of $70 million, they aren't actually over that number despite their cap number being that high. Their salary expenditures are currently almost $20 million under their cap number.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

OEL is a better Dman than Hanifin
Hanifin is a better option @ $4,950,000 than OEL @ $8,250,000

Knock OEL down to $6,750,000 though, and the value is suddenly pretty even IMO, so if I have the choice I take the better Dman in OEL at that price.

I dont know about that. That can be extremely debatable. OEL is a 100 percent finished product and you know what you're gonna get, Hanifin isn't a finished product yet. And you know darned well you aren't going to get 82 games a year out of OEL either. And that his play is already regressing beyond his contract value. How is this even up for debate?

And in no way shape or form will ARZ retain a red cent of salary on OEL for 7 more years.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I dont know about that. That can be extremely debatable. OEL is a 100 percent finished product and you know what you're gonna get, Hanifin isn't a finished product yet. And you know darned well you aren't going to get 82 games a year out of OEL either. And that his play is already regressing beyond his contract value. How is this even up for debate?

And in no way shape or form will ARZ retain a red cent of salary on OEL for 7 more years.

What does it matter to them if they retain on OEL when in the proposed deal as a whole has them saving over $30 million real dollars?

They don't care about cap hits. They operate on real money and their salary expenditure is always well below their cap total.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

What does it matter to them if they retain on OEL when in the proposed deal as a whole has them saving over $30 million real dollars?

Id bet a custom user title they dont retain a penny if they move him.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Id bet a custom user title they dont retain a penny if they move him.

lol

If they do my proposal exactly but don't retain sure, otherwise no thanks.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

At some point you gotta start keeping your 2nds too.
I don't know what a reasonable offer would look like where you don't have to put some of that on the table though.
(Next year's draft isn't looking great based on early reports and with lack of proper development that may make it worse - would be more open to picks next year as long as they are lotto protected)

Yup. I would stockpile as many picks as possible.

I would trade talent for talent and look at free agency to fill a hole.

[Harry Lime]

I don't like any of the players being floated around from Arizona.

Lehner is the best goalie on the market, by far, and is signing for 5x5. That sets the market.

Holtby isn't getting more. Khudobin, who is rolling through the playoffs, will probably command 3x3. Talbot, Dell or Crawford could probably be had on a two year contract.

I like all of those better than spending assets on Kuemper. I don't like OEL at all.

I would throw real assets at Dvorak, Schmaltz, Fischer, Stepan and Hjalmarrson. They have a thrown together front office, so they are likely taking orders from the ownership group. That could lead to all kinds of nonsensical trading. Rumour has it that they also have an internal cap for this season, whereas Calgary is spending to the max.

Derek Stepan 6.5M for one season - Has struggled mightily under Rick Tocchet but has otherwise been a solid and steady 55 points a year guy for his entire career, as a defensive specialist. He is basically a clone of Backlund.

Nic Hjarlmarsson 5.0M for one season - Injured this season, but otherwise a defensive rock, one of the best in the league. He has average speed, but could hold down a second or third pairing and be a great mentor to Valimaki.

I would be very comfortable going into the season with a centre depth of Backlund/Stepan/Bennett. But how could this happen? The two teams with the most cap space in the league just happen to be Buffalo and New Jersey, who are both in the JG/Monahan sweepstakes. If the Flames had to sign/trade for a defenseman anyway, that would likely cost about 3-4M/year. So the potential difference to be made up in trading the teams two superstars would be 7M. Doable. Especially if the trades are centered primarily on futures.

I apologize for the long post. I have a little time on my hands.

Phoenix
Stepan and Hjarlmasson for Ryan and 2nd 2020

Buffalo
Cozens and 8th overall for Monahan

New Jersey
Nolan Foote and 18th and 20th overall for Gaudreau

Sign Anton Khudobin for 3M/3 years

Money is a wash and you have 4 first round picks in a very deep draft and a boatload of cap the following season.

Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Stepan - Namestnikov (!)
Cozens - Bennett - Dube
Lucic - Gawdin - Phillips

Hanifin - Andersson
Giodano - Kylington
Valimaki - Hjarlmarsson

Khudobin
Rittich

Yeah, I went Namestnikov instead of Hall. Newsletters will be mailed every third Wednesday.

[Iceman57]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I don't like any of the players being floated around from Arizona.

Lehner is the best goalie on the market, by far, and is signing for 5x5. That sets the market.

Holtby isn't getting more. Khudobin, who is rolling through the playoffs, will probably command 3x3. Talbot, Dell or Crawford could probably be had on a two year contract.

I like all of those better than spending assets on Kuemper. I don't like OEL at all.

I would throw real assets at Dvorak, Schmaltz, Fischer, Stepan and Hjalmarrson. They have a thrown together front office, so they are likely taking orders from the ownership group. That could lead to all kinds of nonsensical trading. Rumour has it that they also have an internal cap for this season, whereas Calgary is spending to the max.

Derek Stepan 6.5M for one season - Has struggled mightily under Rick Tocchet but has otherwise been a solid and steady 55 points a year guy for his entire career, as a defensive specialist. He is basically a clone of Backlund.

Nic Hjarlmarsson 5.0M for one season - Injured this season, but otherwise a defensive rock, one of the best in the league. He has average speed, but could hold down a second or third pairing and be a great mentor to Valimaki.

I would be very comfortable going into the season with a centre depth of Backlund/Stepan/Bennett. But how could this happen? The two teams with the most cap space in the league just happen to be Buffalo and New Jersey, who are both in the JG/Monahan sweepstakes. If the Flames had to sign/trade for a defenseman anyway, that would likely cost about 3-4M/year. So the potential difference to be made up in trading the teams two superstars would be 7M. Doable. Especially if the trades are centered primarily on futures.

I apologize for the long post. I have a little time on my hands.

Phoenix
Stepan and Hjarlmasson for Ryan and 2nd 2020

Buffalo
Cozens and 8th overall for Monahan

New Jersey
Nolan Foote and 18th and 20th overall for Gaudreau

Sign Anton Khudobin for 3M/3 years

Money is a wash and you have 4 first round picks in a very deep draft and a boatload of cap the following season.

Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Stepan - Namestnikov (!)
Cozens - Bennett - Dube
Lucic - Gawdin - Phillips

Hanifin - Andersson
Giodano - Kylington
Valimaki - Hjarlmarsson

Khudobin
Rittich

Yeah, I went Namestnikov instead of Hall. Newsletters will be mailed every third Wednesday.

[Scroopy Noopers]

^ I’m a big Namestikov fan! Is he UFA?

But the 35 year old goalie to a 3 year contract I gotta gag at.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

^ I’m a big Namestikov fan! Is he UFA?

But the 35 year old goalie to a 3 year contract I gotta gag at.

Yeah, I like Namestnikov more than the idea of Hall, which is probably against protocol. I was actually looking at Dell's age instead of Khubodin's, so my mistake. Anyway, you could plug and play about 4 goalies into a tandem with Rittich, and they would be cheap and cost no assets.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Yeah, I like Namestnikov more than the idea of Hall, which is probably against protocol. I was actually looking at Dell's age instead of Khubodin's, so my mistake. Anyway, you could plug and play about 4 goalies into a tandem with Rittich, and they would be cheap and cost no assets.

Well neither fills the role of the other, so why not both!?

Namestnikov puts up hits, I really like the way he plays.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I don't like any of the players being floated around from Arizona.

Lehner is the best goalie on the market, by far, and is signing for 5x5. That sets the market.

Holtby isn't getting more. Khudobin, who is rolling through the playoffs, will probably command 3x3. Talbot, Dell or Crawford could probably be had on a two year contract.

I like all of those better than spending assets on Kuemper. I don't like OEL at all.

I would throw real assets at Dvorak, Schmaltz, Fischer, Stepan and Hjalmarrson. They have a thrown together front office, so they are likely taking orders from the ownership group. That could lead to all kinds of nonsensical trading. Rumour has it that they also have an internal cap for this season, whereas Calgary is spending to the max.

Derek Stepan 6.5M for one season - Has struggled mightily under Rick Tocchet but has otherwise been a solid and steady 55 points a year guy for his entire career, as a defensive specialist. He is basically a clone of Backlund.

Nic Hjarlmarsson 5.0M for one season - Injured this season, but otherwise a defensive rock, one of the best in the league. He has average speed, but could hold down a second or third pairing and be a great mentor to Valimaki.

I would be very comfortable going into the season with a centre depth of Backlund/Stepan/Bennett. But how could this happen? The two teams with the most cap space in the league just happen to be Buffalo and New Jersey, who are both in the JG/Monahan sweepstakes. If the Flames had to sign/trade for a defenseman anyway, that would likely cost about 3-4M/year. So the potential difference to be made up in trading the teams two superstars would be 7M. Doable. Especially if the trades are centered primarily on futures.

I apologize for the long post. I have a little time on my hands.

Phoenix
Stepan and Hjarlmasson for Ryan and 2nd 2020

Buffalo
Cozens and 8th overall for Monahan

New Jersey
Nolan Foote and 18th and 20th overall for Gaudreau

Sign Anton Khudobin for 3M/3 years

Money is a wash and you have 4 first round picks in a very deep draft and a boatload of cap the following season.

Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Stepan - Namestnikov (!)
Cozens - Bennett - Dube
Lucic - Gawdin - Phillips

Hanifin - Andersson
Giodano - Kylington
Valimaki - Hjarlmarsson

Khudobin
Rittich

Yeah, I went Namestnikov instead of Hall. Newsletters will be mailed every third Wednesday.

That team seems way worse than the current team. That looks like a lottery pick team to me.

[dino7c]

Lehner giving Vegas a discount and not even going to UFA doesn't set the market...besides Markstrom is #1

Lenny better hope he plays better tonight too

[bax]

nm