[News] UPD: Geoff Ward officially named the franchise's 20th head coach (2 year deal)

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

Following Tre's playbook, now that he has his coach without even looking at any of the talent out there, I can't wait until he trades a couple 1sts and a 2nd for a mid-pair dman, or stupid expensive Dman (or both).

Then he can go sign a bottom 6 forward to a stupid contract that will be bought out in a years time.

Gotta love the process

I am a little worried that some of your takes might actually happen! Sad thing is we could make a bunch of trades, miss the playoffs again while adding another anchored player,.contract.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

By no objective metric did Ward do "well". The team was never more inconsistent and middling.

Playing over .600 hockey?

[Joborule]

#### off.

Forever in mediocracy, the Calgary Flames.

May have to stop being a fan of this team for the foreseeable future since they're going nowhere if this is the case.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Igottago

We all knew this would happen. That is the problem. The Flames are a sub NHL team when it comes to going out and getting elite talent, in any role. Mediocre for the last 30 years, mediocre for the next.

And FW is enjoying every minute of it!

[timbit]

Some people are looking for a magician. Maybe it’s time to look at key player personnel, after 3 coaches in a relatively short time frame.

After all, the top players....they’re the ones that make the big bucks.

Ward was .612

[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Maybe it’s the people who complain real loud but then still watch the games and follow the team that make the team mediocre.

No reason to change if even your critics stick by you.

that too

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by timbit

Some people are looking for a magician.

No, people are looking for common sense solutions to obvious problems. The team having multiple issues doesn't make this issue any less important.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by timbit

Some people are looking for a magician. Maybe it’s time to look at key player personnel, after 3 coaches in a relatively short time frame.

After all, the top players....they’re the ones that make the big bucks.

Ward was .612

An experienced coach with a proven track record is a magician? I suppose it would be magic if the Flames actually went out and tried to bring winners to the organization.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by Igottago

An experienced coach with a proven track record is a magician? I suppose it would be magic if the Flames actually went out and tried to bring winners to the organization.

You mean Laviolette, Gallant or Boudreau? If they're such winners why have they all been fired 3 times?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Igottago

An experienced coach with a proven track record is a magician? I suppose it would be magic if the Flames actually went out and tried to bring winners to the organization.

Ward has literally won the stanley cup

Its funny the ones that cry the most say the roster is terrible and the coach is terrible...

If the roster is terrible Ward did pretty good .612 and pushing the probably cup finalists/champs to the brink missing their top forward

I will be with the angry mob if there are no roster changes but FFS its the conference finals its a little early for freaking out about no moves

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And FW is enjoying every minute of it!

Does it bother you that his pessimism is consistently proven correct? You really love to get on people for not being as optimistic as you, but you're no bigger fan than anyone else just because you can more easily ignore patterns of behaviour and patterns in results. I would say that it actually suggests something else.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

No, people are looking for common sense solutions to obvious problems. The team having multiple issues doesn't make this issue any less important.

We get to watch the players closely with minimal opportunity to accurately evaluate the coaches. How would we know what they say on the bench...in the room...how they are relationally with the players?
Are there some coaching mistakes? For sure.

The matchups look good when I watch the game. Sure, you can talk and speculate about systems and tactics but I doubt many (most) would know very much about it.

It’s looking like a coach , who has not been a head coach for 17 years(guessing) and a first time Head Coach , who is a first time hire will fight it for the SC.

Is it a head coach crapshoot...and /or the top players who decide how good the team will be? Or a combo?

It’s a very fine mix...for sure.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

No, people are looking for common sense solutions to obvious problems. The team having multiple issues doesn't make this issue any less important.

.612 hockey coaching a team with multiple issues

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

By no objective metric did Ward do "well". The team was never more inconsistent and middling.

I don’t think you are using “objective metric” correctly.

Originally Posted by dino7c

Playing over .600 hockey?

See?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by chummer

You mean Laviolette, Gallant or Boudreau? If they're such winners why have they all been fired 3 times?

Do you know any NHL coaches with lifetime contracts?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t think you are using “objective metric” correctly.



See?

Outside of the seven game win streak following the firing of their racist coach, the Flames were not a good hockey team. In terms of on-ice results and analytically. The showed no signs of improvement from game 1 under Ward to game 6 of the WCQF.

But absolutely, if you are content with mediocrity, I won't be able to change your mind.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Outside of the seven game win streak following the firing of their racist coach, the Flames were not a good hockey team. In terms of on-ice results and analytically. The showed no signs of improvement from game 1 under Ward to game 6 of the WCQF.

But absolutely, if you are content with mediocrity, I won't be able to change your mind.

That was a really tough time to come in as a coach..why are we taking away win streaks? Who is good if you cut out their win streaks?

How good do you think the Flames roster without Tkachuck was in the Dallas series (Dallas that beat the Avs and likely the Knights)

I am all for roster change, I wouldn't be against a new coach, but I think Ward certainly did well enough to earn a real shot. Its certainly nothing to freak out about its not like he had the team playing .300 hockey or something they were in the upper half of the league since he took over.

[djsFlames]

Of course it is trending.

Stand pat.

Stay the course that's made you 1st round fodder because its not worth the effort and resources to try something else.

Do what you've been doing, get the results you've been getting.

Hire coaches that are off the radar/not in demand, get results that reaffirm exactly why that's the case with these coaches.

Perfectly mediocre decisions to ensure continued mediocrity.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Ward has literally won the stanley cup

Its funny the ones that cry the most say the roster is terrible and the coach is terrible...

If the roster is terrible Ward did pretty good .612 and pushing the probably cup finalists/champs to the brink missing their top forward

I will be with the angry mob if there are no roster changes but FFS its the conference finals its a little early for freaking out about no moves

So has Milan Lucic. What's your point? Should he be made captain and given a contract extension?

You know that people want a head coach they'll have confidence in. Someone who has a track record of winning (as a head coach) in the league. Its not that much of an ask.

I very well could be wrong about Ward but I haven't been excited by any of the coaching hires since Hartley was fired. Looking for a diamond in the rough isn't a great strategy.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

That was a really tough time to come in as a coach..why are we taking away win streaks? Who is good if you cut out their win streaks?

How good do you think the Flames roster without Tkachuck was in the Dallas series (Dallas that beat the Avs and likely the Knights)

I am all for roster change, I wouldn't be against a new coach, but I think Ward certainly did well enough to earn a real shot. Its certainly nothing to freak out about its not like he had the team playing .300 hockey or something they were in the upper half of the league since he took over.

Typically the first 5-10 games a team plays under a new coach isn't really indicative of the long-term results. Most teams react positively to a firing in the short-term. The long-term results under Ward showed, if anything, a decline in the team's overall play.