Potential Gaudreau trades: Rest of Eastern Conference Post#253

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yup and that dev camp approach resulted in us landing Mackey
They didn’t really let Myers get away. They wanted to sign him and he chose elsewhere

Really? I don't remember that being reported.

[N26]

OK Let's move to the next teams. As if I have any control.

To make it wider I have upped the next round from New Jersey to any New York area team. You can do one, two or all three. Your choice.

What's your Gaudreau trade with;

New Jersey

FACTS:

Approximately 200 km from family home

New GM who hasn’t been an NHL GM before. Seems to have a good reputation though

Lindy Ruff as head coach. He hasn’t been one since 2016-17 (Dallas) but he has been a Rangers assistant since then

Only 13 NHL players signed for 2020-21. Only two players signed past 2021-22 (Hirschier and Severson) but that could change soon.

With Cammalleri buyout and Kovalchuk contract penalty that comes to $55 254 999 so they are not even at the floor yet.

Significant UFAs- None? CapFriendly lists Kevein Rooney, Frederick Claussen and Dakota Mermis

Significant RFAs - Mackenzie Blackwood, Jesper Bratt, Mirco Mueller, John Hayden, Nick Merkley

$5.0 million+ contracts - Hischier $7.2, C Schneider $6.0, PK Subban $9.0, Zajac $5.75

ISSUES/OPINION

Not in their cup or playoff window. In fact it is very unclear what direction they are going

A few decent prospects, two former #1 overall picks and a young goalie who may be something but not much else. I don’t think this team knows how it will proceed until the end of the 2020-21 season at the earliest.

I have a hard time making any case for why they want Johnny this summer
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NY Rangers


FACTS

Approximately 200 km from Gaudreau family home

Lafrenière, Panarin and Kreider all LWs (with some flexibility)

15 NHLers signed next year at a cap hit of $67,108,133

Significant UFAs - Jesper Fast

Significant RFAs - Alex Georgiev, Ryan Strome, Brendan Lemieux, Anthony DeAngelo

$5.0 million+ contracts - Lundqvist (8.5), M Staal (5.7) Trouba (8.0), Zibanejad (5.3), Kreider (6.5) and Panarin (11.643)

Are spending almost $7.5 million of cap space on buyouts (mostly Shattenkirk) plus whatever they are still paying Brad Richards for 6 more years! That will hurt if revenues are way way down.


ISSUES/OPINION:

Window just re-opening for Rangers

They have to keep in mind future Kakko, Fox and Lafrenière contracts

Decent assets (picks and prospects)

Cap space good this year (20-21) and next, especially if they settle something with Lundqvist this year

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NY ISLANDERS

FACTS:

Approximately 230 km from Gaudreau family home (assuming Nassau County not Brooklyn)

Spent $8 million on Ladd and Hickey to play in the AHL

Capfriendly says they have $72,594,167 committed to 20 players in 2020-21. This includes Ladd, Hickey and Dobson

Significant UFAs - T Greiss, A Greene, M Martin, D Brassard

Significant RFAs - M Barzal, R Pulock, D Toews,

ISSUES/OPINION:

Do not have any generally recognized offensive game breakers outside of Barzal. Lots of good secondary scorers (Nelson, Lee, Eberle, Bailey, Beauvillier, Pageau) though.

Cap situation is not great as Barzal and Pulock contracts will take all available space and more

Greiss is probably gone with no cap space and hotshot prospect Sorokin perhaps ready

While there are some prominent names (Ho-Sang, Bellows, Wahlström, Dobson) their prospect pool has underwhelmed in the past couple of years outside of Sorokin

[Jiri Hrdina]

Don't like the Devils and Islanders much as fits. For the latter, I just don't like many of their prospects and don't see much on the main roster that fits.
A stab in the dark would be something around Zacha+Miles Wood+prospect (Ty Smith). Meh.
Islanders don't have a deep prospect pool. I don't see Sorokin on the table, and a guy like Wahlstrom is a real risk based on development so far. And I think they will stick with what they are building.

NYR have a huge volume of prospect capital to work with and Johnny could become Johnny Broadway. Think of the marketing opportunities!

So....
I'll go Pavel Buchnevich+Kravstov+Lias Andersson

Buffalo doesn't count in this round right?

[Enoch Root]

I think the Rangers make the most sense of any team as a destination for Johnny.

With Zibanejad and Lafreniere at C, and Panarin, Johnny and Kreider on the left side, their rebuild would be done.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think the Rangers make the most sense of any team as a destination for Johnny.

With Zibanejad and Lafreniere at C, and Panarin, Johnny and Kreider on the left side, their rebuild would be done.

Lafreniere is not a C, he's a left winger.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Lafreniere is not a C, he's a left winger.

Right. My bad.

[GGG]

I don’t understand why New Jersey would trade for Gaudreau.

By the time they are ready to compete Gaudreau is a UFA. They need to keep the powder dry for two more years before they open the window. They should be taking bad money and stocking up on picks and prospects for the next 2 seasons.

The opposite reason makes Calgary not too interested pursuing Nersey. Calgary is looking to get better next year. I don’t see the impact pieces available. They become interesting if we blow it up.

[ForeverFlameFan]

NYR:
Buchnevich + Lundkvist + CAR 2020 1st for Gaudreau --> NYR has a lot of good pieces, this is the best deal. It's better than acquiring DeAngelo, who although had a fantastic year (and fits the needs of the Flames), he's due for a big pay raise and also has character issues. Lundkvist had a great year in the SHL, Buchnevich could fill in as the 2nd line RW, and the 2020 1st would give us another solid prospect in the future.

Of the 3 teams we're now discussing, the Rangers make the most sense. Could even see some deals involving Georgiev (who would be an ideal target to see if he could handle lots of GP).

NYI:
Leddy (can play RD) + Dobson (or Bellows) + 2021 1st for Gaudreau --> Islanders are already having a tough enough time with cap space, so Leddy would already be on the block. Dobson and a 2021 1st would be quite the compensation for the Flames to take on Leddy who can still play top 4 minutes. Could see him playing well with Gio.

This deal isn't likely to happen though, just based on the fact that the Isles are trying to clear cap for Toews, Pulock, and Barzal.

NJ:
2020 1st (AZ) + Bratt + Severson + 2021 2nd (NYI) for Gaudreau and Kylington --> Don’t think NJ is the ideal partner for Calgary regardless if this is the one that is closest to home for Johnny. Overall, it just doesn’t make sense for the Devils to acquire Johnny with where they are currently at in their rebuild. Either Bratt or Gusev would need to come to Calgary (since they are smallish wingers too), so I went with Bratt. I feel like a Swedish line of Bratt - Backlund - Lindholm would be a great 2nd line, and Severson would play on our middle pairing as the #3 with Giordano, then Valimaki.

[Philly06Cup]

As a Flyers fan, I'm pretty happy with with their young players and don't feel the need for a shakeup like the Flames. BUT: Gaudreau would be a huge get. I could see Gaudreau florishing in Philly where there are a lot of players who can win board battles and give him more space to do his thing.

For the Flyers to trade for Gaudreau, they definitely need to dump some salary. Any Gaudreau for all young players / picks doesn't make sense. Konecny being the main piece back makes sense. I would do Gaudreau for Konecny 1for1 in a heartbeat. That is really underselling Gaudreau. Gaudreau's ceiling is 100pts. Konecny has a lot of nice intangibles but not nearly the same ceiling.

Flyers throw in Frost, who is already too similiar to Gaudreau, and Flames throw in an optional 1st (2021 or 2022), and that balances things, and both teams can be happy.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

NYR:
Buchnevich + Lundkvist + CAR 2020 1st for Gaudreau --> NYR has a lot of good pieces, this is the best deal. It's better than acquiring DeAngelo, who although had a fantastic year (and fits the needs of the Flames), he's due for a big pay raise and also has character issues. Lundkvist had a great year in the SHL, Buchnevich could fill in as the 2nd line RW, and the 2020 1st would give us another solid prospect in the future.

I like this for NYR. They are aware of how good Nils Lundqvist is, but he is blocked from the top 4 by Trouba and Fox.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

As a Flyers fan, I'm pretty happy with with their young players and don't feel the need for a shakeup like the Flames. BUT: Gaudreau would be a huge get. I could see Gaudreau florishing in Philly where there are a lot of players who can win board battles and give him more space to do his thing.

For the Flyers to trade for Gaudreau, they definitely need to dump some salary. Any Gaudreau for all young players / picks doesn't make sense. Konecny being the main piece back makes sense. I would do Gaudreau for Konecny 1for1 in a heartbeat. That is really underselling Gaudreau. Gaudreau's ceiling is 100pts. Konecny has a lot of nice intangibles but not nearly the same ceiling.

Flyers throw in Frost, who is already too similiar to Gaudreau, and Flames throw in an optional 1st (2021 or 2022), and that balances things, and both teams can be happy.

You had me up until the Flames threw in a 1st.

Gaudreau for Konecny and Frost is definitely a nice idea. Flames get a nice young top 6 right hand shooting winger for the top 6 who is locked in with term, plus they get a crack at an eventual top 6 center. Just seems like adding a 1st is too much, probably means it's pretty close to fair though.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

You had me up until the Flames threw in a 1st.

Gaudreau for Konecny and Frost is definitely a nice idea. Flames get a nice young top 6 right hand shooting winger for the top 6 who is locked in with term, plus they get a crack at an eventual top 6 center. Just seems like adding a 1st is too much, probably means it's pretty close to fair though.

Koencny and Frost for Gaudreau and a 2nd (or EDM's 3rd) but not a 1st

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

NYR:
Buchnevich + Lundkvist + CAR 2020 1st for Gaudreau --> NYR has a lot of good pieces, this is the best deal. It's better than acquiring DeAngelo, who although had a fantastic year (and fits the needs of the Flames), he's due for a big pay raise and also has character issues. Lundkvist had a great year in the SHL, Buchnevich could fill in as the 2nd line RW, and the 2020 1st would give us another solid prospect in the future.

Of the 3 teams we're now discussing, the Rangers make the most sense. Could even see some deals involving Georgiev (who would be an ideal target to see if he could handle lots of GP).

IMO Nils Lundkvist would come over and by the end of the next season he'd be playing top 4 for the Flames easily. That would really round out the D core for a long time and make up for losing Fox through the ole college "I don't wanna play for the team that drafted me" bull ####.

That'd be a huge get, but I just don't see the Rangers needing Gaudreau now that they have Panarin and landed Lafreniere. They do like their super stars though.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

IMO Nils Lundkvist would come over and by the end of the next season he'd be playing top 4 for the Flames easily. That would really round out the D core for a long time and make up for losing Fox through the ole college "I don't wanna play for the team that drafted me" bull ####.

Agreed. And Gaudreau would feed Zibanejad all day long to allow him to earn a bigger pay check when he becomes a UFA. Actually, not just him, but also for Zibanejad.

[djsFlames]

Two firsts and a top three organizational prospect.

Just call that the price tag and forget trying to configure a package of specific players from a specific team.

The bouncing back and forth between the same five guys from BUF and PHI are overcooked ideas on here and it's likely the real thing will be from neither of those clubs.

(But re: flyers fan's post) konecy + frost, adds up. Flames would give up the current best player in the deal and its all but certain johnny extends there. Call frost the prospect add that makes up for the gap between gaudreau and konecny's ceiling. Flames need to add futures at C.

[Crown Royal]

So, NJ, NYI and NYR? Let's see.....

To New Jersey Devils:

• Johnny Gaudreau ($6,750,000)

To Calgary Flames:

• PK Subban ($6,000,000) 33.33% Retained
• 1st round pick in 2020 (18th overall)
• 1st round pick in 2020 (20th overall)

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To New York Islanders:

• Johnny Gaudreau ($6,750,000)

To Calgary Flames:

• Ryan Pulock (RFA)
• Jordan Eberle ($5,500,000)
• Kieffer Bellows ($894,166)

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To New York Rangers:

• Johnny Gaudreau ($6,750,000)

To Calgary Flames:

• Vitali Kravstov ($925,000)
• Nils Lundkvist (Unsigned)
• Alexandar Georgiev (RFA)
• Brendan Smith ($2,175,000) 50% Retained, Flames then buyout

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Outside of Hall who would be worth trading Gaudreau for to sign? Granlund is meh, maybe Dadonov?

Toffolli.

[Bonded]

Konencny + Frost is the best so far

[CliffFletcher]

The Rangers are the least likely to trade for Gaudreau. They have may have been a plausible destination before the lottery, but with Lafreniere landing in their lap, they now have a LW depth chart of:

Panarin ($11.6 mil)
Kreider ($6.5 mil)
Lafreniere

I just can't see them moving out significant assets to they can have the most loaded LW lineup (and cap hit) in NHL history. If they make a big trade to help them compete in the near-term, it will be for a defenceman.

NJ likewise don't make for great trade partners. They just let a superstar LW walk because they're not in their contention window. Has that really changed in one season? They also don't have much in assets the Flames need, except maybe Palmieri, and he's one year away from UFA (and a local NJ boy who would be unlikely to re-sign with the Flames).

The Isles are facing major cap problems. Hard to see them bringing in Gaudreau without sending back comparable salary (Eberle?). And again, looking at their depth chart they have Lee and Beauvillier as locks as their top two LW. That position is the least of their problems. Like the Rangers, if the Isles make a splashy trade it will be for a defenceman.

[Niemo]

Gaudreau + Kylington + Ryan
For
7th OV + NJ 1st 2021 + Bratt

Sign Markstrom and Hall