Value of Oliver Ekman-Larsson to Calgary

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by bax

The more I think about this there is really only 1 scenario where I see this as being realistic:

1. Treliving believes OEL's decline is entirely due to playing under Tocchet and has nothing to do with age. He also thinks we can acquire him for cheap.
2. The plan is to bring in OEL and then move on from Gio while hopefully recouping some futures in the process. Tkachuk gets the C.

Hall - Bennett - Lindholm
Gaudreau - Monahan - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Dube
Lucic - Gawdin - Rieder

Hanifin - Andersson
OEL - Demelo
Valimaki - Kylington

Kuemper
Rittich

That probably doesn't work cap wise, but something along those lines with retained salary and maybe moving on from one or two of those guys if needed. Not saying that's what I want to see, but I could see Treliving thinking that way given his past experience with OEL.

Yeesh, really putting a lot of eggs in that Bennett basket as well. Lot of finger crossing and blind optimism involved in some of these line ups.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Very many people involved in pro sports management are very bad at their jobs.

Well, when the only requirements are to have played the sport and "know people"...

[bax]

Originally Posted by ignite09

Yeesh, really putting a lot of eggs in that Bennett basket as well. Lot of finger crossing and blind optimism involved in some of these line ups.

I mean you can organize them however you want, it’s the same group of centers we had this season save for the 4th line. Swap Bennett and Backlund if you want. Swapping Ryan and Bennett isn’t blind optimism, it’s what they did in the playoffs. For 3 million I think it’s very unlikely Ryan is here next season to center the 4th line.

Odds are Bennett centers the third line next year, but I would love to see him get an extended opportunity with two offensive wingers.

I don’t even agree with Gio-OEL swap. Just the only way I see this rumor being realistic.

[Jeff Lebowski]

To borrow from baseball - I want to see guys with off the chart tools rather than off the chart makeup. That doesn't mean bad character just find athletes that can demonstrably show you skills -even high IQ gets a little nebulous but nothing close to good in the room qualities.

I want some more Dionysians to go with Apollonians !

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Originally Posted by ignite09

Yeesh, really putting a lot of eggs in that Bennett basket as well. Lot of finger crossing and blind optimism involved in some of these line ups.

If Dube was to have another great camp, wouldn't be shocked to see him get a promotion.

Basically swapping Bennett and Dube if Dube plays like he did in the playoffs

[flamesforcup]

I would only do it if they take the Lucic contract.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I already told you, he's handsome.

OEL, Lindholm, Hanifin...

[Roof-Daddy]

I dunno...

Lucic
Ryan
Rittich
19th overall

for

OEL
Keumper
Hall's rights


Then have a deal already worked out where you deal Gio or Hanifin for another teams 1st round pick maybe?

They can't go without 1st and 2nd round picks in this draft.

[Enoch Root]

instead of a crazy, giant deal like that, just go after the good asset - Kuemper - with a simpler deal

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I don't know why ditching short term cap pain is worth it to acquire long term cap pain. I mean OEL is still a good player, but that contract is literally up there with Subban, Doughty and Karlsson in terms of cap hit and length, without the same production. I wouldn't be in a hurry to acquire any of those guys at those numbers.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Lol, have you been wearing welding glasses when watching OEL play? he's routinely been the worst defensive player on the team, he couldn't tape Lidstrom's stick.

Stop it! Treliving may be reading this thread.

He is clearly Niklas Lidstrom #2

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I dunno...

Lucic
Ryan
Rittich
19th overall

for

OEL
Keumper
Hall's rights


Then have a deal already worked out where you deal Gio or Hanifin for another teams 1st round pick maybe?

They can't go without 1st and 2nd round picks in this draft.

Gio would need to be on the move if we get OEL, just too much money and Hanifin is too young to trade for what he is already and could develop towards imo.
Problem is I don't think Gio gets you a first, maybe a 2nd/3rd

If we trade away a first to get Kuepmper, then we'd better be trading Johnny or Mony for a higher first++

[Textcritic]

Nm

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Keumper would be a good target, but please no first rounder!

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

instead of a crazy, giant deal like that, just go after the good asset - Kuemper - with a simpler deal

lol, Treliving LOVES defensmen. If OEL is on the block you can bet he is going to be trying to acquire him.

Add in the fact that you know the Flames want Hall, and also the runors that they are sniffing around Keumper too, if a trade goes down with Arizona this off season it's probably going to be a pretty big trade with lots of moving parts.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Stop it! Treliving may be reading this thread.

He is clearly Niklas Lidstrom #2

The fact that the poster who is most keen about the rumour is the Yotes fan, should tell people all they need to know

[MrMike]

So what I have learnt from this thread about OEL is he is worth somewhere between retained salary for Lucic up to a first round pick.

I think the reason he is on the block is because the Yotes are looking to shed actual salary dollars. Any chance Lucic just gets a big bonus and his actual dollars going forward aren't much?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMike

So what I have learnt from this thread about OEL is he is worth somewhere between retained salary for Lucic up to a first round pick.

I think the reason he is on the block is because the Yotes are looking to shed actual salary dollars. Any chance Lucic just gets a big bonus and his actual dollars going forward aren't much?

Yes actually, Lucic at this point is owed 10 million for the remaining 3 seasons after the flames just paid out his bonus for this season.

That is less than the 10.5 OEL will be owed in the 21-22 season.

A trade where just lucic and OEL change teams saves the coyotes 3 million dollars in actual cash for this coming season.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

As for salary retention on OEL, 2 million dollar retention works out to 14 million dollars over the life of the deal.

Not even the Rangers and the Leafs with all their billions would do that. Maybe for 10 first round picks.

They're already paying those 14 million. Plus another 43.75 million if they don't move him.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Yes actually, Lucic at this point is owed 10 million for the remaining 3 seasons after the flames just paid out his bonus for this season.

That is less than the 10.5 OEL will be owed in the 21-22 season.

A trade where just lucic and OEL change teams saves the coyotes 3 million dollars in actual cash for this coming season.

Nice, thanks Flash.