I don't think I fully understood just how far to the right many Albertans are until the last few days. This place feels like it has a cockroach problem.
Gotta keep up with the news in the last decade. Remember far right dosent just include white angry men.
Alberta is Canada's hot bed for every type of Extremist group , but of course white nationalists are among the most prevalent. The kkk actually took hold in Alberta in the mid 20s and the thirties. You can see a few pages back a basic guide to the rise of the second iteration of the kkk. These are JUST 4 stories from last year. You can google search this topic in Alberta and you get dozens of articles per year.
White extremist also love the UPC and They love Kenny because they think he sympathizes there agenda. Look how many people keep getting kicked out of the UPC for " White extremist views"
Gotta keep up with the news in the last decade. Remember far right dosent just include white angry men.
Alberta is Canada's hot bed for every type of Extremist group , but of course white nationalists are among the most prevalent. The kkk actually took hold in Alberta in the mid 20s and the thirties. You can see a few pages back a basic guide to the rise of the second iteration of the kkk. These are JUST 3 stories from last year. You can google search this topic in Alberta and you get dozens of articles per year.
I want to revisit this because it’s illustrates how easy it is to create your own narrative on posters that “because certain posters didn’t say anything to condone the white kid” this obviously means they are a racist and that somehow gives licence to call this name with little to no proof.
This is outrageous and it’s why the thread has gone dead in the last day or so when arguments are reduced to name calling, it does almost nothing to stimulate the actual conversation.
My bone of contention is that I have next to no compassion for those that choose to resist arrest because I think the police have an incredibly difficult job.
I disagree it’s as cut and dry as it’s made out to be in this forum.
I could see 100 videos of whites and I could see 100 videos of blacks resisting arrest and I have the same compassion level for both.
But creating narratives and hurling hurtful names unchecked is really disappointing.
Being called a racist is a big deal and it better have more proof than “you didn’t say much about that guy so..”
Resisting arrest should not come with a death sentence.
Running away from police should not come with a death sentence.
Having a warrant for your arrest, being high, forging cheques... none of these things should come with a death sentence, that’s cut and dry.
Want to stop people creating narratives and saying hurtful things? Stop people from creating narratives around Black victims in an attempt to justify their deaths, then. Stop people from calling them rapists, criminals, thugs, etc. Why do they deserve lesser treatment than you or me?
If you can manufacture some outrage over a Black victim’s past, surely you have some to manufacture for a White shooter. At very least, it’s pretty ridiculous to be more upset and give more attention to someone resisting arrest than someone shooting three people. Sorry, it’s big enough news and is talked about enough that you shouldn’t have to choose which to focus your attention on, and if it’s that limited, surely you’d pick the much bigger and much more serious issue, no?
I find it really strange that people who resort to drive-by ####ty comments about Black victims want to “have a conversation” only after they’re called on it. But you know what, that’s still great. So think about what you say and have the conversation in the first place. Being called a racist is a lot less harmful than being shot by police in the back, so maybe before we go asking for sympathy and compassion, you could offer it to the people who you seem to have none for.
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I don't think I fully understood just how far to the right many Albertans are until the last few days. This place feels like it has a cockroach problem.
If it makes you feel any better, in my experience most posters on this board are still dramatically farther left than many that post on a similar Pens forum that I'll occasionally glance in on.
Believe me, Canadian far-right and American far-right are pretty different beasts.
I don't think I fully understood just how far to the right many Albertans are until the last few days. This place feels like it has a cockroach problem.
I got laughed at here when making that observation a month ago. Alberta is the Utah/Idaho of Canada. A lot of really extremist views in them thar parts.
I got laughed at here when making that observation a month ago. Alberta is the Utah/Idaho of Canada. A lot of really extremist views in them thar parts.
Analysis of the Kenosha shooting from a lawyers perspective, and why he thinks Kyle should beat the charges based on self-defense.
Thanks for posting. I've got lots of problems with this video but do appreciate the analysis. He really drops the ball though in not getting into what Rittenhouse is saying in the interview and is clearly a big fan of carrying this type of gun for self defence. I'm not sure why you'd make a video like this where your entire argument hinges on objectiveness but then go fanboy on the gun he used.
He also glazes over the vigilante justice part of why Rittenhouse is there. In the interview, the teen states that the police were not there to protect the church and so they needed to be. When asked, should the police have been there, he said, no there would have been too many casualties. Right there, he admits that they are there in place of the police, armed, and in a bad situation.
I'm not saying that precludes him from a self defence argument based on technicalities. I have no idea. But why he is there and what he is carrying is important. It just wasn't that important to the guy on the video. He very intentionally put himself, with full knowledge and foresight, into a place where he would either become a casualty or create multiple casualties. And because of this foresight, he knew he needed to have the biggest and most deadly gun available to him. Which he was carrying illegally.
I also don't buy the instantaneous shift of aggressor/defender based on that tiny bit of video and the fact that he had a long range weapon.
Bottom line, he knew what he was doing. He understood the likely outcomes, he fashioned himself a vigilante and carried an illegal weapon. And his prediction of casualties came true with blood on his hands. That to me is murder.
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I got laughed at here when making that observation a month ago. Alberta is the Utah/Idaho of Canada. A lot of really extremist views in them thar parts.
Yeah, at risk of derailing this important topic, go anywhere in BC not called lower mainland/Victoria and you'll quickly learn that Alberta is nowhere near the most extreme, bigoted backwards place in the country.
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Thanks for posting. I've got lots of problems with this video but do appreciate the analysis. He really drops the ball though in not getting into what Rittenhouse is saying in the interview and is clearly a big fan of carrying this type of gun for self defence. I'm not sure why you'd make a video like this where your entire argument hinges on objectiveness but then go fanboy on the gun he used.
He also glazes over the vigilante justice part of why Rittenhouse is there. In the interview, the teen states that the police were not there to protect the church and so they needed to be. When asked, should the police have been there, he said, no there would have been too many casualties. Right there, he admits that they are there in place of the police, armed, and in a bad situation.
I'm not saying that precludes him from a self defence argument based on technicalities. I have no idea. But why he is there and what he is carrying is important. It just wasn't that important to the guy on the video. He very intentionally put himself, with full knowledge and foresight, into a place where he would either become a casualty or create multiple casualties. And because of this foresight, he knew he needed to have the biggest and most deadly gun available to him. Which he was carrying illegally.
I also don't buy the instantaneous shift of aggressor/defender based on that tiny bit of video and the fact that he had a long range weapon.
Bottom line, he knew what he was doing. He understood the likely outcomes, he fashioned himself a vigilante and carried an illegal weapon. And his prediction of casualties came true with blood on his hands. That to me is murder.
I agree with most of your post, thing is it doesn't matter how you view it it matters how the letter of the law defines it and the defense will have a very good case for self defense.
Bottom line is
- dont bring a gun, let alone an AR, to a protest/riot like this
- if someone else brings a gun, dont chase them/attack them
- honestly just stay home if you dont need to be there
Wonder what lead up to the confrontation that the two guys had earlier in the night. And how that might have played a part in KR being chased, and then shooting JR.
What was said between them might tell a lot about why this happened.
That all aside, I agree with posters who are saying if you don’t need to be there, don’t go there. Mob mentality can be a powerful and brutal thing.
Yeah, at risk of derailing this important topic, go anywhere in BC not called lower mainland/Victoria and you'll quickly learn that Alberta is nowhere near the most extreme, bigoted backwards place in the country.
Go anywhere in the world where the population is very monochromatic and you'll find far more bigotry than you will in urban metropolises. Rural Quebec might be the most racist part of the country. When you don't have exposure to different cultures, you tend to be very frightened of other cultures.
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That ain't cherry picking articles. That is referencing a longitudinal study of extremism and how Alberta has a disproportionately large number of racist and extremist organizations.
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Yeah, at risk of derailing this important topic, go anywhere in BC not called lower mainland/Victoria and you'll quickly learn that Alberta is nowhere near the most extreme, bigoted backwards place in the country.
Yeah, let's not derail this. I agree, there are bigots everywhere. Alberta just happens to have a lot more and a lot that are organized. Like, did you know that Alberta has allowed the Klu Klux Klan to be incorporated as a protected entity? No where else will you find that. Alberta has a bit of a dirty secret and history with extremism. We shouldn't ignore it and try to play whataboutism with it. Acknowledge the reality and work to make things better.
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Thanks for posting. I've got lots of problems with this video but do appreciate the analysis. He really drops the ball though in not getting into what Rittenhouse is saying in the interview and is clearly a big fan of carrying this type of gun for self defence. I'm not sure why you'd make a video like this where your entire argument hinges on objectiveness but then go fanboy on the gun he used.
Not to mention the ad at the end for gun liability insurance. I assume he is getting money for that, so it works to his benefit to defend carrying those weapons.
He sounds like a good lawyer though. A good lawyer can nailed down a particular perspective while seeming completely objective.
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