Will the NHL boycott games? Should it?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

Every country on this planet has a history of systemic racism. If we didn’t, than we would all be one race and not mixed.


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And the correct decision is to acknowledge it, acknowledge how our history impacts and remains relevant today, and address it. Not to pretend it doesn’t exist and claim everyone you disagree with is lying. If that’s the kind of Canada you’re defending, it’s probably not worth defending at all.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I disagree, and here’s why. If you don’t call out racism, especially when it’s explicitly racist, you’re letting it fester and grow. You’re never confronting the root of the problem, instead just dealing with a few basic symptoms as they come up. By refusing to call racism, racism, you are reinforcing it. Racism, and racists, rely on it being hidden, so it’s absolutely essential to blow it out in the open as you see it.

You’re suggesting there’s two options, call out racism, or countering points as they’re raised. You should do both, and doing one and refusing to do the other is equally ineffective regardless of which you choose.

The thing is, it's going to fester and grow, regardless of whether or not you call it out as racism. A racist is not going to suddenly stop being a racist and abandon their racist views, simply because you called out their views/talking points as being racist. If anything, they're more likely to feel victimized ("oh no, that mean person called me a racist"), and cause them to become even more cemented in their views. Simply put, the more hostile a person thinks you're being toward them, the less likely you are to convert them.

As for people who have no racist intention, but spread racist talking points without realizing the racist nature of what they're saying, I find it's more effective to point out that what they're saying is hurtful and damaging toward marginalized groups, than to say "hey, that's racist!"

[AC]

Jeez, it's easy as a sheltered white person to think things are all rosy here in Canada as I don't typically interact with ####ty people by design.

Then you read comments on IG or Twitter from randoms responding to Calgary Flames or NHL posts supporting BLM, Hockey is For Everyone, or You Can Play initiatives and realize there are a lot of garbage people with garbage opinions here too. There's always a couple that come out in these thread on CP too that are really disheartening to read.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And the correct decision is to acknowledge it, acknowledge how our history impacts and remains relevant today, and address it. Not to pretend it doesn’t exist and claim everyone you disagree with is lying. If that’s the kind of Canada you’re defending, it’s probably not worth defending at all.

I refuse to believe that black men in this country live in fear. This isn’t 1960,1980 it’s 2020 and to say that you live in fear is absolutely bs


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[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

I refuse to believe that black men in this country live in fear. This isn’t 1960,1980 it’s 2020 and to say that you live in fear is absolutely bs


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I don’t even understand who or what you are defending.

[codynw]

I refuse to believe that black men in this country live in fear. This isn’t 1960,1980 it’s 2020 and to say that you live in fear is absolutely bs

You absolutely cannot say that those feelings are BS when you haven't experienced what, in this case, poster Crown Royal has. You saying his fear is "absolute bs" is the most obnoxious thing you could possibly say right now.

[Acey]

He's playing the "my minority has it worse than yours" card, it sounds like, with a "I'm a trash human being" as the turn card... awaiting the river card.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Darth Tkachuk

Keep the God dam politics out of sports. Honestly, they can shove this BLM bull#### right up their asses.

Hoo boy, this thread is turning into a real doozy. Wow.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by codynw

You absolutely cannot say that those feelings are BS when you haven't experienced what, in this case, poster Crown Royal has. You saying his fear is "absolute bs" is the most obnoxious thing you could possibly say right now.

Why? Because he’s afraid to leave his house? Do some research I’ll offer evidence, I don’t base my opinion on feelings. Show me evidence of a systemic problem with black men in Canada. Just pm me when you have it.


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[GirlySports]

what happened here?

[MRCboicgy]

No need to PM
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/five-c...nada-1.4970352

In 2018, Black Canadians were more likely than any other racial group in Canada to be the victims of a hate crime, according to data reported by police.

[MRCboicgy]

And with that - can we please shift back to the discussion around the NHL/PA decision to postpone for the next two days - or somewhat broader sports-related.


Other discussions can be had in the OT forum if you want to continue.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I disagree, and here’s why. If you don’t call out racism, especially when it’s explicitly racist, you’re letting it fester and grow. You’re never confronting the root of the problem, instead just dealing with a few basic symptoms as they come up. By refusing to call racism, racism, you are reinforcing it. Racism, and racists, rely on it being hidden, so it’s absolutely essential to blow it out in the open as you see it.

You’re suggesting there’s two options, call out racism, or countering points as they’re raised. You should do both, and doing one and refusing to do the other is equally ineffective regardless of which you choose.

It great to call out racism when/ where it's happening. You however call racism on those who simply disagree with you and those who present facts, evidence and witness accounts that don't fit your emotional reactions. The way you throw "racist" around, the word has lost its power, it's meaning on this board. It's not racist to want the investigation results released before acting. It's not racists to trust in the judicial system, it's not racist to back police departments. It's not racist to condem rioting,looting and arson. It's not racist to expect anyone under arrest to follow police orders. You can call out racists all you want but I do not belive you even truly know what a racist is.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I will be in the minority here but I do not support these kinds of boycotts.

not surprised.

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

I refuse to believe that black men in this country live in fear. This isn’t 1960,1980 it’s 2020 and to say that you live in fear is absolutely bs


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If you refuse to believe that a man who has had a gun pointed at his head by the police is scared of future interactions with the police perhaps you should just try and put yourself in his shoes.

If it was me, that would haunt me probably forever.

Try some empathy instead of calling BS you might just learn something

The situation exists, here it’s real.

EDIT: was typing and posting while MRCboicgy posted above

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

I’ll admit there is a problem. Look at my argument, man. Black men in this country. I didn’t say it didn’t exist. But I do not believe they need to live in fear like royal said.


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How can you possibly know what another person is feeling?

Well, he told you how he feels and you disagree with his feeling and experiences. Only he knows.

You immediately lose all credibility and can never win that argument.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

what happened here?

They postponed a game for a couple days....

I knew the true ignorant people would come out once they did, like clockwork.

Canada is far from perfect, get your head out of your asses people.

[IamNotKenKing]

Again, rather than PM, here’s another article for you:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada...nada-1.4970352

Here are a couple of takeaways therefrom:

First-generation Black Canadians make an average income of nearly $37,000, compared to an average income of $50,000 for new immigrants who are not members of a visible minority.

That wage gap doesn’t go away over time. Third-generation Black Canadians make an average income of $32,000, compared with $48,000 for Canadians who aren’t a visible minority — a demographic that, due to the way census data is collected, includes Indigenous Canadians, who also experience income disparity.

Black Canadians are nearly twice as likely as non-racialized Canadians to be considered low-income

Black Canadians are far more likely than non-racialized Canadians and other visible minorities to be unemployed.

Unemployment rates among Black Canadians are higher than other populations, and are more than double the rate of other visible minorities.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Darth Tkachuk

Keep the God dam politics out of sports. Honestly, they can shove this BLM bull#### right up their asses.

I wonder what you would have said to Jackie Robinson joining the Dodgers.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Again, rather than PM, here’s another article for you:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada...nada-1.4970352

Here are a couple of takeaways therefrom:

First-generation Black Canadians make an average income of nearly $37,000, compared to an average income of $50,000 for new immigrants who are not members of a visible minority.

That wage gap doesn’t go away over time. Third-generation Black Canadians make an average income of $32,000, compared with $48,000 for Canadians who aren’t a visible minority — a demographic that, due to the way census data is collected, includes Indigenous Canadians, who also experience income disparity.

Black Canadians are nearly twice as likely as non-racialized Canadians to be considered low-income

Black Canadians are far more likely than non-racialized Canadians and other visible minorities to be unemployed.

Unemployment rates among Black Canadians are higher than other populations, and are more than double the rate of other visible minorities.

Another stat I recall hearing is in Toronto blacks are 20x more likely to be killed by police than whites.