2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TOfan

You never know, it could happen, but I think the Flames would want a body coming back; which is why I would target Josh Anderson.

Expansion draft needs to be a consideration IMO. It needs to be managed carefully, and only really risk an asset going out the door for nothing if you truly believe 2020/2021 is a Stanley Cup contending year.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Is the headshaking in relation to the Monahan comparison?

Did you read the Monahan draft year projections? Lol if anything they were even better than Cozen's.

Player development is not linear.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Is the headshaking in relation to the Monahan comparison?

Did you read the Monahan draft year projections? Lol if anything they were even better than Cozen's.

Player development is not linear.

Sorry, I meant to bold the quoted comparison to Monahan (to make it more clear that I was indeed referring to the Monahan comparison).

Just thought it was funny because some of the biggest criticisms of Monahan are his lack of high-end skating and creativity with the puck. I definitely agree that there is a substantial risk that Cozens never reaches Monahan's level of play overall.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by AC

Ranked the 6th best prospect in the NHL:

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top...pects-ranking/


3rd best on this list:
https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/sto...llers-new-no-1

Don't mean to side track the thread but for people in the know (or those who watched CHI play especially in playoffs) how did Kirby Dach play?

I'm curious the difference between Dach and Cozens. Anyone able to to compare them?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Don't mean to side track the thread but for people in the know (or those who watched CHI play especially in playoffs) how did Kirby Dach play?

I'm curious the difference between Dach and Cozens. Anyone able to to compare them?

Ignoring Dach's sudden arrival in the NHL, Cozens was projecting slightly better than him.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

No idea on Cozens, but I thought Dach was exceptional in the playoffs. Very noticable. Big body with skill.

[Roof-Daddy]

I want Cozens, 8th overall AND a right shot Dman from Buffalo.

Monahan
Kylington
19th overall

for

Montour
Cozens
8th overall

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Don't mean to side track the thread but for people in the know (or those who watched CHI play especially in playoffs) how did Kirby Dach play?

I'm curious the difference between Dach and Cozens. Anyone able to to compare them?

Not that you asked, but I would also dare to say that Dach is untouchable on Chicago.

Buffalo is in a weird space. Cozens should be untouchable as well, if he looks to be a similar player, but I get the idea that they want immediate improvement after years of sucktitude.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I want Cozens, 8th overall AND a right shot Dman from Buffalo.

Monahan
Kylington
19th overall

for

Montour
Cozens
8th overall

Tilted heavily towards the Flames, in my opinion.

Replace Kylington with Hanafin, you might be in business.

[Flash Walken]

oh man that proposal is bad.

[Braden]

If buffalo Is In a good place to "win now"

Monahan + Gaudreau

For

Reinhart + 8th + Cozens + Montour

Sign Hall


Hall-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Mangiapaine- Backlund- Reinhart

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Tilted heavily towards the Flames, in my opinion.

Replace Kylington with Hanafin, you might be in business.

Absolutely not.

Monahan is the most valuable piece in the deal by a wide margin, and it's only an 11 spot climb in the 1st round, which can usually be done with a couple of 2nd round picks.

If they want Hanifin then the Flames take the 19th overall out of the deal.

[Classic_Sniper]

Maybe it’s just me, but I have no idea why Mangiapane and Backlund are being talked about in trades. Those 2 along with Tkachuk make up the team’s best line.

Not only do they shut down the opposition’s top lines, but they can score as well and tilt the ice in their favor whenever they’re on the ice. Mangiapane-Backlund-Tkachuk are absolutely untouchables to me as their chemistry is absolutely unparalleled.


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[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Maybe it’s just me, but I have no idea why Mangiapane and Backlund are being talked about in trades. Those 2 along with Tkachuk make up the team’s best line.

Not only do they shut down the opposition’s top lines, but they can score as well and tilt the ice in their favor whenever they’re on the ice. Mangiapane-Backlund-Tkachuk are absolutely untouchables to me as their chemistry is absolutely unparalleled.


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i think you just answered your own question.

Valuable trade commodities.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Absolutely not.

Monahan is the most valuable piece in the deal by a wide margin, and it's only an 11 spot climb in the 1st round, which can usually be done with a couple of 2nd round picks.

If they want Hanifin then the Flames take the 19th overall out of the deal.

Agreed, Monahan is the highest on ice value piece. At least he is for now. Cozens was recently cited as the top prospect outside the NHL by the Athletic earlier this year. Here’s how I see it:

Monahan >> Cozens (For now)
Kylington <<<< Montour (Kylington has yet to prove he’s more than a bubble player. Montour is top 4 RHS)
19th <<<< 8th (no explanation required)

You can easily see here the Flames could make out with the best of all three assets. It’s not a realistic trade proposal in my mind.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://mobile.twitter.com/wgr550/st...24327988514818

Sabre’s fans debating if they should trade Cozens for Monahan most day no.

I read a suggestion of Reinhart and 8 but I think I would prefer Cozens and a Dman

Why set your expectations so low? Cozens, Reinhart, 8th and a d-man (Montour?)

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

i think you just answered your own question.

Valuable trade commodities.

Thought hockey was about winning? Not winning trades. The MMA line is the single most important line to the Flames going forward. I wouldn’t be surprised if Treliving gave Mangiapane a long term extension and that line became a mainstay for the next half decade.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Remove Reinhardt's 65 point season last year and he is averaging 47.25 points per season. You can't discount one guys big year and not the other guys. Monahan is 1 year older and has scored 156 points more. Not even comparable, I think Buffalo would have to add more than the 8th for Sean.

42
47
50
65
50 in 69 (=59 in 82)

65 isn't much of an outlier.

Reinhart is also likely to have double Monahan's term at a similar AAV.

BUF needs to add more good players, not to spend their best assets for short-term moderate upgrades.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Agreed, Monahan is the highest on ice value piece. At least he is for now. Cozens was recently cited as the top prospect outside the NHL by the Athletic earlier this year. Here’s how I see it:

Monahan >> Cozens (For now)
Kylington <<<< Montour (Kylington has yet to prove he’s more than a bubble player. Montour is top 4 RHS)
19th <<<< 8th (no explanation required)

You can easily see here the Flames could make out with the best of all three assets. It’s not a realistic trade proposal in my mind.

I don't think Montour's value is that much higher than Kylington's right now. Friedman even speculated a couple weeks back that the Sabres might even consider not qualifying him. I wouldn't be shocked if the Flames would be able to trade Kylington for him straight up at this point.

I see why our opinions differ on that proposal now though.

Friedman and Jeff Marek were discussing how some restricted free agents may not receive qualifying offers and Friedman says:

“you know who I heard is going to be that guy too maybe? Brandon Montour in Buffalo.” Marek quickly replied with: “I heard that.”

Well, that’s an interesting approach if that’s the case. This is a player the organization spent a first-round pick and a prospect (Brendan Guhle) on to acquire less than two years ago. It doesn’t make sense to let him leave for nothing. There’s no reason they can’t find a trade for the player. His value has not dropped that much.

The tight offseason window may be playing a factor in all of this along with the flat cap. The Sabres could fear his arbitration award and the change in the arbitration rule this year makes things interesting too. If a team decides to walk away from an arbitration award on a player they don’t automatically become unrestricted free agents. The player now has the option to take the offer that the club made in arbitration.

Montour wouldn’t be in for some kind of break the bank award which makes this all odd. His qualifying offer would be $3.525 million according to Cap Friendly. He also had a down year, so I’m not sure I get where the concern of a massive arbitration award would come from.

Qualifying offers are usually due to restricted free agents a few days before the new league year and unrestricted free agency opens. This offseason that date is currently set on October 9th. With the NHL Draft scheduled for 10/6, you’d assume qualifying offers would be due to players by 10/7 latest.

We’ll see where this goes, but at the very least it sure sounds like the chances of Montour returning to the Sabres are slim.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://mobile.twitter.com/wgr550/st...24327988514818

Sabre’s fans debating if they should trade Cozens for Monahan most day no.

I read a suggestion of Reinhart and 8 but I think I would prefer Cozens and a Dman

Of course the fans will say no. Prospects are always overvalued. Not saying Monahan will get traded for Cozens but what center can they get that is better than Monahan for Cozens?