Flames Garbage Day Quotes

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by nik-

This is basically more of the same but more expensive. A costlier first round exit. Hall is not the answer.

He sure looked great in the playoffs. Maybe he is not "the answer," but I think he could go a long way to shaping how this team wants to play in the post-season.

[Enoch Root]

Hall isn't the answer. But adding assets strengthens the team and provides flexibility. If we were to add Hall, we would have crazy winger depth:

Hall
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Mangiapane
with Dube knocking on the door

for the top 6. That enables the team to trade one of those guys for a center.

Doesn't help the goaltending, but one problem at a time

[La Flames Fan]

Have we heard anything from Treliving since the exit?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Hall isn't the answer. But adding assets strengthens the team and provides flexibility. If we were to add Hall, we would have crazy winger depth:

Hall
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Mangiapane
with Dube knocking on the door

for the top 6. That enables the team to trade one of those guys for a center.

Doesn't help the goaltending, but one problem at a time

I remain completely flummoxed about goaltending. Surety at the position is so volatile League wide that I am completely suspicious of any "solution" that might be forwarded. I have no more confidence in better fortunes from making a big-money commitment to a UFA than I do to bringing the Talbot/Rittich tandem back for the same cost.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I remain completely flummoxed about goaltending. Surety at the position is so volatile League wide that I am completely suspicious of any "solution" that might be forwarded. I have no more confidence in better fortunes from making a big-money commitment to a UFA than I do to bringing the Talbot/Rittich tandem back for the same cost.

I HATE the thought of throwing big money at a goalie (too volatile).

I also HATE not having good golatending.

Please let one of our prospects suddenly become a star. Why does that never happen here?

[mile]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

Have we heard anything from Treliving since the exit?

Haynes said that Ward and Treliving will speak this afternoon.


Tkachuk is traveling today, may hear from him tomorrow.

[BurningSteel]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I always find when people start a sentence with "to be honest", they're not really being honest.

Still hasn't purchased any real estate here.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Hall isn't the answer. But adding assets strengthens the team and provides flexibility. If we were to add Hall, we would have crazy winger depth:

Hall
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Mangiapane
with Dube knocking on the door

for the top 6. That enables the team to trade one of those guys for a center.

Doesn't help the goaltending, but one problem at a time

What do people think about Dube at centre? He's got that speed that will back people off. If he improves his puck handling you could have a guy who can beat you with speed or with moves/shiftiness. In the middle of the ice (say the neutral zone), IMO, if you can beat guys one on one you immediately become very dangerous to the opponent and wreck their defensive shape or positioning. The opponent closes on you and it opens up ice.

Imagine the space wingers would have to operate with that space. If you're attacking the blueline down the middle with speed, the d backs off and you get controlled entries.

I kind of hope they can develop Dube to play centre. But I also agree he was good on a flank with Bennett at centre.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by BurningSteel

Still hasn't purchased any real estate here.

So what? It is entirely possible for Gaudreau to be fully committed to playing his entire career in Calgary, while simultaneously also not seeing the same benefit of purchasing a home in the city. We already know that virtually all of his off-work time is spent on the Jersey shore, so it should come as no surprise if he is not active in the local housing market.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

What do people think about Dube at centre? He's got that speed that will back people off. If he improves his puck handling you could have a guy who can beat you with speed or with moves/shiftiness. In the middle of the ice (say the neutral zone), IMO, if you can beat guys one on one you immediately become very dangerous to the opponent and wreck their defensive shape or positioning. The opponent closes on you and it opens up ice.

Imagine the space wingers would have to operate with that space. If you're attacking the blueline down the middle with speed, the d backs off and you get controlled entries.

I kind of hope they can develop Dube to play centre. But I also agree he was good on a flank with Bennett at centre.

I agree with this, and I think we saw shades of Dubé's potential to control the puck on entries and in traffic in these playoffs. He was drafted as a centre, and I believe he also played centre in Stockton (correct me if In am misremembering, please.) What a coup that would be if the Flames can harness this kid's attributes down the middle in the future.

[BurningSteel]

Originally Posted by getbak

Is anyone else concerned that we've heard from all the other big names who aren't in Europe or pending UFAs, but nothing from Tkachuk yet?

I picture him still in Edm flippings desks.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I remain completely flummoxed about goaltending. Surety at the position is so volatile League wide that I am completely suspicious of any "solution" that might be forwarded. I have no more confidence in better fortunes from making a big-money commitment to a UFA than I do to bringing the Talbot/Rittich tandem back for the same cost.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I HATE the thought of throwing big money at a goalie (too volatile).

I also HATE not having good golatending.

Please let one of our prospects suddenly become a star. Why does that never happen here?

Talbot was 0.919 save % this season, 0.924 in the playoffs and 0.915 for his career. Rittich was 0.907 this year and 0.908 for his career. All for the total cap hit of $5.5 million.

The Panthers paid $10 million AAV for .900 save % from a guy who's won two Vezina's.

Goalies for the most part are just so inconsistent and unpredictable from year to year. I really don't want to see the Flames pour a pile of cap into the goaltending.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Hall isn't the answer. But adding assets strengthens the team and provides flexibility. If we were to add Hall, we would have crazy winger depth:

Hall
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Mangiapane
with Dube knocking on the door

for the top 6. That enables the team to trade one of those guys for a center.

Doesn't help the goaltending, but one problem at a time

This sounfs like the logic that the Leafs had when adding Tavares and dropping Kadri... I don't think it really accomplishes anything. The players who get pushed down the lineup are the do-it-all types like Mangiapane, Dube, Bennett.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

This sounfs like the logic that the Leafs had when adding Tavares and dropping Kadri... I don't think it really accomplishes anything. The players who get pushed down the lineup are the do-it-all types like Mangiapane, Dube, Bennett.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. Kadri was moved for money reasons, and Toronto is a deeply flawed team. That doesn't change the fact that adding Hall adds assets to the roster and puts them in a better position to trade a winger for a center.

If they added Hall and didn't make any other changes, it would most likely be Lucic that gets pushed out of the top 9

JG - SM - EL
TH - MB - MT
DD - SB - AM

If you're argument is that Hall bumping Mangiapane down to the 3rd line doesn't improve the team, well I disagree

[JohnnyHockey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Ah screw it, I love all these guys.

Hall - Monahan - Lindholm
Gaudreau - Bennett - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Dube
Lucic - 700K dude - 700K dude
700K dude

If Johnny really is open to staying, you keep him and figure it out.

After you factor in Hall's salary and Mangiapane's raise, how do you plan on fielding a defense?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHockey

After you factor in Hall's salary and Mangiapane's raise, how do you plan on fielding a defense?

Never play in your own zone. Boom! Problem solved.

[bax]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHockey

After you factor in Hall's salary and Mangiapane's raise, how do you plan on fielding a defense?

Could do something like:

Hanifin - Andersson
Giordano - Demelo
Valimaki - Soucy
Kylington - Yeselin

Not the best defense on paper, but I think it's a good mix of puck moving and 2 way play. Definitely a new look for the team up front and on defense.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I remain completely flummoxed about goaltending. Surety at the position is so volatile League wide that I am completely suspicious of any "solution" that might be forwarded. I have no more confidence in better fortunes from making a big-money commitment to a UFA than I do to bringing the Talbot/Rittich tandem back for the same cost.

I have the same thoughts. Just look at the Blues. Binnington went from god like last year to AHL calibre this year. It's just so random.

I think I'd rather commit money somewhere else and roll with Talbot / Rittich for at least another year.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHockey

After you factor in Hall's salary and Mangiapane's raise, how do you plan on fielding a defense?

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

Taylor Hall ($7,750,000) - Sean Monahan ($6,375,000) - Matthew Tkachuk ($7,000,000)

Andrew Mangiapane ($2,500,000) - Mikael Backlund ($5,350,000) - Dillon Dubé ($778,333)

Johnny Gaudreau ($6,750,000) - Sam Bennett ($2,550,000) - Elias Lindholm ($4,850,000)

Milan Lucic ($5,250,000) - Jason Spezza ($700,000) - Melker Karlsson ($1,000,000)

Alan Quine ($700,000)

Noah Hanifin ($4,950,000) - Rasmus Andersson ($4,550,000)

Mark Giordano ($6,750,000) - Kevin Connauton ($700,000)

Juuso Välimäki ($894,166) - Oliver Kylington ($792,500)

Michael Stone ($700,000)

Cam Talbot ($3,350,000)

David Rittich ($2,750,000)

BUYOUTS (2)
Troy Brouwer ($1,500,000) - Michael Stone ($1,166,667)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 24
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $79,656,666
Cap Space: $1,843,334

Use some of those guys as placeholders, but there you go.

Yep, it's maybe a top heavy roster on defence - but you've also got Kylington, Mackey, Lerby and Yelesin looking to play. Maybe Valimaki switches to his off-side and plays with Giordano. It's doable, and if we get a good coach - they can bring team defence to a new level.

[Heavy Jack]

Man playoff Bennett paired with playoff Hall seems like a match made in heaven.

Hall - Bennett - Tkachuk is a nightmarish line to contend with when the other two lines in the top 9 are

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Backlund - Dube

The thought of tinkering without dealing a major forward and loading up the top 9 by landing Hall is an intriguing proposition... we were literally 11 seconds away from a 3-1 lead and most likely the 2nd round; we also lost a game that we tied late in the last minute so it literally could have been a sweep opposed to the end result. I get that looking at that counts for nothing because at the end of the day we had our asses handed to us but because we were mere seconds away leads me to believe that this team isn’t that far off and as scorched earth/dealing high end players approach brings with it the time that it will undoubtedly take to reset and gain momentum with the new toys.

I think this team has one more season to take a legit swing and I’m hoping they do now after reading Johnnys perspective.