2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by dammage79

That's an incredibly spur outlook on the defense. And too heavy handed in my estimation. Do you trade your Captain? Likely not. If you did you'd have to go max salary retention to get a deal done. Cpuld be a deadline day deal.

Disagree on Hanifin, I think he and Andersson are the #1 pairing of the future. Like as soon as next year.

Kylington needs ice time. Maybe right side with Gio to get h up to speed.

I can live without Hammer, Brodie , Gus and Forbort and Stone.

If you could re sign Brodie to a deal to match Gios remaining deal the that would help.

Flames have Connor Mackey who by all accounts will be a full time NHLer asap.

On top of that there's 3 or 4 more like Lerby, Yelesin who can make a push for a spot. Even Valiev.

Its not all doom and gloom. I think you can go out and get a RHD as well whos more of the puck mover type. Like Vatanen.

Therell be a season or two of transitioning from the Captain carrying the load, but the future is pretty bright .

Hanifin-Andersson
Gio-Välimäki
Kylington-Yelesin
Mackey

That’s without signing anyone (aside from RFA Kylington).

Kinnvall might turn into a RHed option too as he just finished a very strong SHL season.

I agree the outlook is bright.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Hanifin-Andersson
Gio-Välimäki
Kylington-Yelesin
Mackey

That’s without signing anyone (aside from RFA Kylington).

Kinnvall might turn into a RHed option too as he just finished a very strong SHL season.

I agree the outlook is bright.

Valimaki, Kylington, Yelesin, and Mackey have a combined 18 points in in 115 NHL games. They would make up 4 of the 7 spots.

Is there room for development? Yes. Is it a disaster? No.
But it would be quite the gamble. And this is WITH Gio in the lineup. Brodie brings quite a bit of stability to the defense core.

It is essential that the Flames hire a coach with a proven record of defense utilization. Someone who has been shown to develop players on the defensive end.
The Flames often underperform when their defense looks good on paper. They often overperform when the lineup looks too young.
A lot of this comes down to coaching IMO.

[sa226]

The problem with Gaudreau on this team long term (if that was even an option) is that by reputation when on the ice, he is the most dangerous player on the ice. As "the guy" he's just not getting it done. As said previously tbe offense goes through him. Monahan and Lindholm get their production mostly from him. But through 4 playoffs, he just isn't getting it done.

As AC said on a team with a Giroux or Eichel or Aho or whoever else, where he isn't necessarily the most dangerous player on the ice. He absolutely rips it up. Probably in the playoffs too.

But he probably won't re-sign here and if for some crazy reason he does its going to be for a lot of money, extending the very version of a lame duck playoff team that we've witnessed in his tenure here.

I've loved the Johnny Gaudreau story here. But I do think its time to move on.


To add, with some young forwards making a push up the lineup and with good players already in place, like Lindholm, Backlund, Tkachuk, Bennett etc. If an opportunity presents itself to move both Monahan and Gaudreau for young pieces or high draft picks that can replace their presence in the near future, I think its an opportunity to reset and retool the franchise away from the 2 most prominent faces of the post Iginla era. While remaining competitive. Shades of Philly with Richards and Carter.



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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by sa226

To add, with some young forwards making a push up the lineup and with good players already in place, like Lindholm, Backlund, Tkachuk, Bennett etc. If an opportunity presents itself to move both Monahan and Gaudreau for young pieces or high draft picks that can replace their presence in the near future, I think its an opportunity to reset and retool the franchise away from the 2 most prominent faces of the post Iginla era. While remaining competitive. Shades of Philly with Richards and Carter.

This is a pretty good example actually.

Flyers moved:

Carter (26 years old)
Richards (26 years old)

for

Simmonds (23 years old)
Schenn (20 years old)
Voracek (22 years old)
1st (Couturier)
3rd (Nick Cousins)


That's the exact type of re-tool idea the Flames need to have when shopping Gaudreau and Monahan. Of course it was a different NHL at the time where veterans were still valued higher, and Richards and Carter both had term on their contracts, but that's the type of idea of what the Flames need to be looking for if they decide to move those two players.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He was a big part of both their recent cup runs...leading scorer one year and top three the other year. He was traded for cap reasons not "they didn't want him" they have certainly missed his scoring in the playoffs

All the smoke is that they wanted nothing to do with him.
Which I read to me Crosby didn't.
Which makes sense given how committed Crosby is and how not committed The Thrill is.

[TheScorpion]

I was pretty sure the rumours surrounding Kessel's departure had more to do with Malkin being dissatisfied with him being around.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is a pretty good example actually.

Flyers moved:

Carter (26 years old)
Richards (26 years old)

for

Simmonds (23 years old)
Schenn (20 years old)
Voracek (22 years old)
1st (Couturier)
3rd (Nick Cousins)


That's the exact type of re-tool idea the Flames need to have when shopping Gaudreau and Monahan. Of course it was a different NHL at the time where veterans were still valued higher, and Richards and Carter both had term on their contracts, but that's the type of idea of what the Flames need to be looking for if they decide to move those two players.

Carter and Richards had also just been to the freakin' cup final and Carter had a 46 goal season under his belt with TEN YEARS left on his contract.

[PepsiFree]

Flyers also went from a legit contender to a bubble team for the next 7-8 years after that trade.

So, can't imagine what we have to look forward to, woohoo!

[TheScorpion]

Exactly 86 points, no more, no less, every single season until the heat death of the sun. The leading scorer will have 21 goals and 53 points. It will be the most average team in history.

[Scroopy Noopers]

It was all done to sign Bryzgalov...

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Valimaki, Kylington, Yelesin, and Mackey have a combined 18 points in in 115 NHL games. They would make up 4 of the 7 spots.

Is there room for development? Yes. Is it a disaster? No.
But it would be quite the gamble. And this is WITH Gio in the lineup. Brodie brings quite a bit of stability to the defense core.

It is essential that the Flames hire a coach with a proven record of defense utilization. Someone who has been shown to develop players on the defensive end.
The Flames often underperform when their defense looks good on paper. They often overperform when the lineup looks too young.
A lot of this comes down to coaching IMO.

I fully expect we sign a couple UFA dmen.

Mackey and Yelesin will likely be the #8/9 guys.

[Husky]

At this point i see if you can get someone discruntled like eichel. Throw in valamaki into a gadreau plus package. See what kind of star you can get. 2 years of lost injury time. Jury is out on valamaki

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Carter and Richards had also just been to the freakin' cup final and Carter had a 46 goal season under his belt with TEN YEARS left on his contract.

Having them locked up long term was part of the trade but in the current NHL that term is almost seen as more of a risk for a 26 year old than a benefit.

Plus you’re forgetting that the reason the deals happened was because there was a lot of question about the two young forwards commitment, their off ice behaviour, and the whole Dry Island thing.

So sure they had better playoff results (a run as an 7 seed one year led by Pronger) and still had long term deals but in terms of pure NHL production at the time of the trade, and the players age, it’s pretty close:

Carter - Age:26 GP:461 G:181 P:343 P/GP: 0.74
Richards - Age: 26 GP:453 G:133 P:349 P/GP: 0.77

Vs

Gaudreau- Age:27 GP: 464 G: 151 P: 445 P/GP: 0.96
Monahan- Age:25 GP: 541 G:194 P: 411 P/GP: 0.76

Sure the Flyers struggled a bit after that but IMO it wasn’t because of those two moves which actually brought a lot of great pieces into the organization. They lost Pronger after that season due to injury which was the biggest impact, Briere took a step back (he was the leading scorer in the cup run), and they gave the ridiculous contract to Bryzgalov.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Husky

At this point i see if you can get someone discruntled like eichel. Throw in valamaki into a gadreau plus package. See what kind of star you can get. 2 years of lost injury time. Jury is out on valamaki

I would happily donate my left walnut to get Eichel in Calgary.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Husky

At this point i see if you can get someone discruntled like eichel. Throw in valamaki into a gadreau plus package. See what kind of star you can get. 2 years of lost injury time. Jury is out on valamaki

Gaudreau, Monahan and 19th overall for Eichel

I would make that deal

[GullFoss]

I would package Johnny and Monahan together for one franchise player. For example, someone like Aho, Barzal, etc. I'd even trade them both to the Rangers for their first overall.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Gaudreau, Monahan and 19th overall for Eichel

I would make that deal

I would make that deal too-would give us that #1C we've always wanted, and he would match up well against McDavid. Problem is, would we end up with another American who wants to go home?

[mile]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I would make that deal too-would give us that #1C we've always wanted, and he would match up well against McDavid. Problem is, would we end up with another American who wants to go home?

After not making the playoffs once in Buffalo, I would think being on a competitive team would be the bigger priority for Eichel over location.

I'd easily make that deal, but I don't see Buffalo moving him. One can dream though.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I would make that deal too-would give us that #1C we've always wanted, and he would match up well against McDavid. Problem is, would we end up with another American who wants to go home?

He has 6 years term left on his deal

[Vinny01]

If the Sabres were making a deal for Eichel you have to think the Rangers would be the front runners in terms of where he would want to go and the package they could pay.

Lafreniere + a bunch of their prospects and young players.