2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Geeoff]

I'm not sure anyone is looking to guarantee Talbot 42+ starts

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO it's just a matter of him being in a place he's happy, closer to home and playing with a more dynamic center for him to get right back to being a top 10 scorer. He should fetch a solid return from an eastern team looking to add elite skill and star power.

The center for him doesn't matter. To be useful he wants the puck on his stick. No center is going to produce better with him when they have to cover for Johnnie in the defensive zone and watch him turn over the puck at the other teams blueline. We as Flames fans need to quit blaming the center and look at the issue, Johnny is scared of any physical play, flies the zone for long passes and leaves his linemates to do the balance of the lifting.

How many times have the linemates worked to get the puck, worked hard to get up the ice to only have to race back when Johnny tries one of his hail mary goal line shots that wrap around out of the zone. 5-10 times per game?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This off-season is going to be interesting - as there are already some breadcrumbs out there that we can look at:

- Flames were in talks twice with Toronto regarding Brodie. Once was for Kadri, and once was rumoured to be a Brodie for Barrie swap. Could this mean the Flames have interest in Tyson Barrie as a UFA? Given neither Brodie nor Hamonic have been extended, it won't shock me to see the Flames go after Barrie as a UFA - especially with Giordano's drop-off and Gustafsson's less than stellar 5v5 play.

- Friedman mentioned back in November that Calgary is not interested in "selling low" on Johnny Gaudreau, however he has discussed that he believes this year is the last kick at the can for this group of core players. I wouldn't think a Johnny Gaudreau trade is out of the question.

- two off-seasons in a row the Flames have been linked to Patrick Maroon who is once again a UFA this coming off-season. With Calgary's lack of playoff experience on the roster and general lack of size on the 4th line - he could be a target again.

- in each of the last three seasons the Flames have been heavily linked to the "big" deadline pieces. Evander Kane in 2017/2018, Mark Stone in 2018/2019, and Taylor Hall in 2019/2020. Treliving clearly sees the need to upgrade the wing position

- As mentioned, Calgary was in on Taylor Hall before he was dealt to Arizona. Rumours of Hall having interest in signing in Calgary have been out there for almost a year.

- Calgary was rumoured as one of the teams trying to acquire Josh Anderson before Columbus shut down trade talks and the player for the year. Eric Duhatschek mentioned in July the Flames are "very interested" in the player.

- Lebrun has recently stated the Flames did reach out to Talbot's camp during the shutdown to express interest in retaining Talbot next season. Talbs himself has said he'd be open to a return, although he also said this:



Which I think translates pretty clearly to "make me the #1, and I'll return" I imagine money and term will do the talking when it comes to Talbot and the Flames going forward

Plus the Gaudreau+Kylington for Coutourier+Ghost and Monahan for Ristolainen rumours.

Of course, all of the worst of these things will come true, and none of the great things will, so expect the Flames after losing out on Taylor Hall (who signs a team-friendly deal in Colorado) to trade/sign Josh Anderson at $6M, have him put up 25 points, lose Gaudreau for nothing, trade Monahan for blackhole Ristolainen, fail to sign Talbot and see him win the Vezina elsewhere (or sign him to a starter contract and have him poop the bed), and trade Michael Backlund + a 2nd to Seattle to not take Bennett, who has a career year and finally looks like the number 1 center we always wanted as we miss the playoffs and is signed at $7M a year, but never again scores more than 35 points. And then Tkachuk requests a trade to St.Louis and St.Louis only and refuses to report otherwise.

[ComixZone]

^^ I don't believe either of those rumours.

Particularly the Monahan rumour. Risto for Monahan would never have been a fair value trade, and it certainly isn't now.

The only ones I mentioned are ones brought up by actual sources which I think is about the most trustworthy way to go about it.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

^^ I don't believe either of those rumours.

Particularly the Monahan rumour. Risto for Monahan would never have been a fair value trade, and it certainly isn't now.

The only ones I mentioned are ones brought up by actual sources which I think is about the most trustworthy way to go about it.

Agree. That one seems like it was sourced by a troll.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

^^ I don't believe either of those rumours.

Particularly the Monahan rumour. Risto for Monahan would never have been a fair value trade, and it certainly isn't now.

The only ones I mentioned are ones brought up by actual sources which I think is about the most trustworthy way to go about it.

The Monahan-Risto one is just too damaging to actually be true. No way Treliving entertained that, and if he did we have huge problems that I don't want to think about lol.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Voodooman

There are a number of RFA centres who will be available. Either try the dreaded offer sheet, or a sign and trade deal (Johnny for Nolan Patrick ++)?

Having watched up close over the past week, I do like Hintz's game, and he is an RFA. Put the offer sheet out there, and at least make Dallas match it. You're going to have to overpay for a potential 1C, there will be no deals to be had, so pick the guy you like the best and roll the dice.

Man, really piss off Torts and send a 6 year, $9 million offer sheet to Dubois. I love that kids game. Imagine him and Chucky on the same team.

The salary cap upper limit will be frozen at $81.5 million until hockey-related revenue hits $4.8 billion - the amount projected for the current season before the pandemic.

Not a good year for offer sheets or being RFAs coming off their ELCs

After signing Kylington to a 1M contract The Flames have 15 M to sign 3 defensemen a starting goalie and Mangiapane plus 3 minimum wage forwards.

I just can't see them going with

Gio-Anderson
Hanifin-Valimaki
Kylington- 700k
700k - 700k

Should they feel the need to resign Brodie or replacement at 6M and Talbot at fire sale 3M. and Mangiapane for 2 M It leaves pretty much just enough cap space for the 3 minimum wage forwards and 2 min wage D-men.

Forbort and Gustafsson will not be minimum wage D-men.

More than half the teams in the league will be in the same tight cap situation.

Can't see a way that St.L fits in Pietroangelo in even at his current 6.5 unless they get Steen to retire,

There is no Cap in Tampa to sign Sergachev or Cernak. Last year they would have been in the big extension pile of 1st year RFAs

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I'm not sure anyone is looking to guarantee Talbot 42+ starts

Yeah especially with only so many jobs open, and only so many teams looking for a starter.

Realistically who would look at Talbot as a 1A starter this year especially with other lots of goalies available.

Carolina? Calgary? Washington? That's probably about it and really those teams probably look for a longer term piece than Talbot.

Lehner and Markstrom will be the cream of the UFA goalie crop, but there are a lot of tandem type goalies available (Khudobin, Talbot, Greiss), guys who were elite starters that maybe have question marks now (Crawford, Holtby), and servicable veterans that can be used as a backup now (Smith, Anderson, Miller, Elliott, Howard).

So outside of Lehner and Markstrom I don't think it will be a good year to be a goalie looking for a job.

[Flames_F.T.W]

I seriously doubt the rumored Monahan deal would be for Risto straight up. If it is a deal being discussed, it's likely a package of Risto & 8th overall.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

I seriously doubt the rumored Monahan deal would be for Risto straight up. If it is a deal being discussed, it's likely a package of Risto & 8th overall.

Now, that is not wonderful but much more acceptable. Frankly I would prefer that trade for Johnny than Money but would consider that pending the results of the next 2(or 1) games. lol

[Roof-Daddy]

Oh guys, you are setting yourself up for pain haha

[FlamesAddiction]

Gaudreau should still fetch a decent return, but he also seems to have lost a step. When you see old clips of him, he just isn't as slick as he used to be. I think part of it is that he filled out a little more and can't puck handle in a phone booth like he used to. His passing just hasn't been as good this year either. Part of it might be coaching as well as it also doesn't look like Gaudreau is holding onto the the puck as much as he used to. The way he plays just seems different. Part of it could be that he just doesn't like getting hacked away at like he was.

I am not for trading him at any cost, but right now, I would definitely be listening to offers.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Gaudreau would probably be the best secondary forward in the league. He needs to be on a team that already has “the guy”.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Plus the Gaudreau+Kylington for Coutourier+Ghost and Monahan for Ristolainen rumours.

Of course, all of the worst of these things will come true, and none of the great things will, so expect the Flames after losing out on Taylor Hall (who signs a team-friendly deal in Colorado) to trade/sign Josh Anderson at $6M, have him put up 25 points, lose Gaudreau for nothing, trade Monahan for blackhole Ristolainen, fail to sign Talbot and see him win the Vezina elsewhere (or sign him to a starter contract and have him poop the bed), and trade Michael Backlund + a 2nd to Seattle to not take Bennett, who has a career year and finally looks like the number 1 center we always wanted as we miss the playoffs and is signed at $7M a year, but never again scores more than 35 points. And then Tkachuk requests a trade to St.Louis and St.Louis only and refuses to report otherwise.

Lol that hurts to read because I could so believe it happening. Don't forget that we will also not be bad enough to more than the 4th overall!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Gaudreau would probably be the best secondary forward in the league. He needs to be on a team that already has “the guy”.

Yep, Kessel was a loser out of shape bum with no commitment...until he lead the Penguins in scoring on the way to the Stanley Cup.

Gaudreau didn't forget how to play hockey or get figured out in a few months....he is an elite playmaker but needs to play with top talent IMO.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Talbot can want to be the #1 but his best hope is he finds a platoon situation. No one is going to tap him to be the undisputed #1.
So in many ways Calgary remains the best fit for him given the state of goaltending.
And he rightly probably deserves a raise and some term.
But I would not go longer than 2 years with him.
He isn't going to find a landing spot where a team commits to him as their #1 and/or offers him a long-term deal.
He can want those things. But they aren't things that are going to happen.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kessel was a loser out of shape bum with no commitment...until he lead the Penguins in scoring on the way to the Stanley Cup.

Kessel is such a weird player.
Seems clear he is out of shape
He's worn out of his welcome in many places despite being productive.
He was a big part of their latest Stanley Cup but shortly thereafter they wanted nothing to do with him.

Just a very odd player. He probably will net out well over 1,000 points and is a champion.
But does he make the hall of fame? Probably not.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Kessel is such a weird player.
Seems clear he is out of shape
He's worn out of his welcome in many places despite being productive.
He was a big part of their latest Stanley Cup but shortly thereafter they wanted nothing to do with him.

Just a very odd player. He probably will net out well over 1,000 points and is a champion.
But does he make the hall of fame? Probably not.

He was a big part of both their recent cup runs...leading scorer one year and top three the other year. He was traded for cap reasons not "they didn't want him" they have certainly missed his scoring in the playoffs

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He was a big part of both their recent cup runs...leading scorer one year and top three the other year. He was traded for cap reasons not "they didn't want him" they have certainly missed his scoring in the playoffs

There was definitely some friction and weirdness.

https://www.bardown.com/phil-kessel-...rade-1.1330769

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Kessel is such a weird player.
Seems clear he is out of shape
He's worn out of his welcome in many places despite being productive.
He was a big part of their latest Stanley Cup but shortly thereafter they wanted nothing to do with him.

Just a very odd player. He probably will net out well over 1,000 points and is a champion.
But does he make the hall of fame? Probably not.

It’s weirder to me how he was always a fast player. He didn’t have a lot of gas in the tank, obviously, but he could fly (one way). Makes you wonder what he could have been if he had top tier commitment.