2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Poe969]

Competition??? If Johnny hits the trade market, he'll be the best available option. Top 10 point guy on a great contract with term left. Johnny makes less than a million more than boeser, in a cap world getting a top 5 in a position for less than 7 million is worth a lot. Johnny will make any team better.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I liked the Buffalo’s Cozen plus first round pick 8th overall for JG.

This is pretty much my pie in the sky dream scenario if the Flames do trade Johnny.

You have a disgruntled franchise C, an impatient owner, and a brand new GM looking to make his mark, make the team better and please Pegula/Eichel.

I'd even try to add something else and squeeze a RHD out of them too (not Ristolainen though). Their RHD is:

Risto
Montour
Miller
Jokiharju
Borgen

Gaudreau, Bennett, Kylington for Cozens, 8th overall, Montour/Jokiharju or something along those lines.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I liked the Buffalo’s Cozen plus first round pick 8th overall for JG.

Can’t see the Sabres giving up, essentially, two top 10 picks for two years of Gaudreau. I can’t think of a team ever trading two top 10 picks in a single deal. If the Sabres were to trade both, I’d bet they would do it to acquire multiple assets in separate deals, not one. From the looks of it, they still need to find a 2C to play behind Eichel. Wouldn’t they want to use the 8th pick to see if they can address that need elsewhere?

I think a more realistic return is Cozens and Montour/Miller. Flames get a prospect that projects to be a top two line C (extremely hard to come by unless you draft them). Buffalo also has a surplus of RHS D in the age group that would appeal to the Flames and it would fill a specific need on the roster.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Competition??? If Johnny hits the trade market, he'll be the best available option. Top 10 point guy on a great contract with term left. Johnny makes less than a million more than boeser, in a cap world getting a top 5 in a position for less than 7 million is worth a lot. Johnny will make any team better.

All based on opportunity cost. If teams can get boeser or a similar type for a smaller haul and still upgrade their team, they might consider that option over paying a premium for JG. Believe the upcoming play down/playoff will have an impact on any return. If he has a lukewarm performance, teams might be leery of giving up a good return. If he shows that he can play when it matters, return will probably be higher.

No question that JG is the higher end player, but need a team who wants the player and will pony up the assets to make the deal.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Can’t see the Sabres giving up, essentially, two top 10 picks for two years of Gaudreau. I can’t think of a team ever trading two top 10 picks in a single deal. If the Sabres were to trade both, I’d bet they would do it to acquire multiple assets in separate deals, not one. From the looks of it, they still need to find a 2C to play behind Eichel. Wouldn’t they want to use the 8th pick to see if they can address that need elsewhere?

I think a more realistic return is Cozens and Montour/Miller. Flames get a prospect that projects to be a top two line C (extremely hard to come by unless you draft them). Buffalo also has a surplus of RHS D in the age group that would appeal to the Flames and it would fill a specific need on the roster.

It does seem like a reach.

One example I can think of was the Jeff Carter to CLB trade.

Jeff Carter

for

Jakub Voracek
8th overall
68th overall

Voracek was 22 at the time, was drafted 7th overall 4 years earlier and already had essentially two 50 point seasons in the NHL already.

Why'd the Jackets do that?

To appease disgruntled star player Rick Nash IIRC, who was getting frustrated with constantly losing.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It does seem like a reach.

One example I can think of was the Jeff Carter to CLB trade.

Jeff Carter

for

Jakub Voracek
8th overall
68th overall

Voracek was 22 at the time, was drafted 7th overall 4 years earlier and already had essentially two 50 point seasons in the NHL already.

Why'd the Jackets do that?

To appease disgruntled star player Rick Nash IIRC, who was getting frustrated with constantly losing.

Good example.

[transplant99]

To Quebec Nordiques
Steve Duchesne
Peter Forsberg
Ron Hextall
Kerry Huffman
Mike Ricci
Chris Simon
Philadelphia's 1st round pick in 1993
Philadelphia's 1st round pick in 1994
$15 million

For Eric Lindros

[The Cobra]

Lindholm and Hanifin were both 5th OA PICKS.


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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I could see Dobson, Ho-Sang, their 1st

For

Gaudreau and Bennett.

Ho-Sang and Bennett both need a change of scenery, and even though he's been a huge bust on the Island, I still think there's some serious potential there.

Ho-Sang is pretty much done. No change of scenery is going to change his attitude, which is one of entitlement. The Islanders have washed their hands of him and his career is circling the drain. No upside and nothing but trouble. Stay away from this guy.

If the Flames are serious about the Islanders, then raid their system. Bellows (LW), Wahlstom (RW), and Dobson (RD) would be a solid return if a futures deal is what they are looking for. If salary has to come back, then Josh Bailey is probably the best fit.

To Islanders ($10.03): Gaudreau ($6.75), Bennett ($2.55), Kylington ($.730)

To Flames ($7.715): Bailey ($5.0), Bellows ($.895), Wahlstrom ($.925), and Dobson ($.895)

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It does seem like a reach.

One example I can think of was the Jeff Carter to CLB trade.

Jeff Carter

for

Jakub Voracek
8th overall
68th overall

Voracek was 22 at the time, was drafted 7th overall 4 years earlier and already had essentially two 50 point seasons in the NHL already.

Why'd the Jackets do that?

To appease disgruntled star player Rick Nash IIRC, who was getting frustrated with constantly losing.

In a vacuum, this is a good trade because Carter was by far the best piece. He just wanted nothing to do with being in Columbus





Philly ain't won ####, while Jeff Carter was a key piece in two Stanley Cups (just not for Columbus LOL)

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Lindholm and Hanifin were both 5th OA PICKS.


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Yes.

In this case the canes got a cost controlled top pairing D, blue chip prospect, and a top 9 forward. Does 2 years of JG net you a similar return? I don’t make that move if I’m Buffalo.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

We trade Gaudreau in the prime of his career and the best piece we get back is Dobson?

We can make Hamonic the player that keeps on giving for the Islanders!

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

All based on opportunity cost. If teams can get boeser or a similar type for a smaller haul and still upgrade their team, they might consider that option over paying a premium for JG. Believe the upcoming play down/playoff will have an impact on any return. If he has a lukewarm performance, teams might be leery of giving up a good return. If he shows that he can play when it matters, return will probably be higher.

No question that JG is the higher end player, but need a team who wants the player and will pony up the assets to make the deal.

That’s where the test of the GM comes into play. You essentially have first right of refusal. You figure out what the market value is, and decide if it’s going to help your team or not.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Does 2 years of JG net you a similar return?

This is silly and needs to stop. Teams trading for Gaudreau are NOT trading for just two years of Gaudreau. They will be trading for a player they believe will be a core player on their team for the next decade. Teams will do their due diligence and know if Johnny has interest in signing with them long-term. They will not make a trade for the return that Calgary will be demanding if they are not confident that Gaudreau will sign an extension at the end of his current deal.

[Major Major]

Yes, whoever Johnny goes to instantly becomes the favourite to re-sign him.

I can't imagine JG turning down the chance to play with eichel for 10 years. Those 2 would be magic together.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is silly and needs to stop. Teams trading for Gaudreau are NOT trading for just two years of Gaudreau. They will be trading for a player they believe will be a core player on their team for the next decade. Teams will do their due diligence and know if Johnny has interest in signing with them long-term. They will not make a trade for the return that Calgary will be demanding if they are not confident that Gaudreau will sign an extension at the end of his current deal.

I’m sure teams will do their due diligence, but a lot can change in a year, or two.

The way I see it, as it relates to Buffalo, is JG would want to see how things play out. Is the team moving in the right direction? Does he like it there. Does he like the set up, the surroundings, and is their a chance to win? Essentially, the Sabres and JG would be dating. The rings not on the finger yet. I’d bet there would be a lot of questions and, if I’m Gaudreau, I’m saying ‘show me’. So yes, for a number of teams, there’s no guarantee JG is going to decide to stick around and all you have is two years.

If the Flames want to send him somewhere where it’s all but guaranteed he stays, that probably limits the suitors to Philadelphia, NJ, and maybe the NY teams.

[Vinny01]

Flat cap for at least the next 2-3 years.

Point per game forward who has been a top 10 scorer in the league on multiple occasions. 27 years old with 2 seasons on a contract making 6.75M. Currently there are no trade restrictions on his contract.

I think his value is going to be immense and getting Cozens and the 8th or Reinhart along with one of those assets is not far out of reach.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Boston traded Phil Kessel for what turned out to be two top 10 picks as well (Seguin & Hamilton). So it does happen occasionally. Johnny is a top LW in his prime, under an EXTREMELY friendly contact for 2 more years during a time when cap space is extremely valuable. So his value should be substantial.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

In a vacuum, this is a good trade because Carter was by far the best piece. He just wanted nothing to do with being in Columbus





Philly ain't won ####, while Jeff Carter was a key piece in two Stanley Cups (just not for Columbus LOL)

Yes, Philly hasn't won ####, but those trades (Carter and Richards) were still positive outcomes for them.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

That’s where the test of the GM comes into play. You essentially have first right of refusal. You figure out what the market value is, and decide if it’s going to help your team or not.

Agreed. What this could boil down is what you could get for a return for JG with 2 years left on contract vs 1 year left on contract.

We saw the return that we got for iginla as a rental and it wasn’t pretty (or more recently, what hall fetched). Do you take a package that while isn’t eye popping but satisfactory now or do you stick to your guns and take a return that is lesser as a rental next year?

Boils down to a bird in hand is worth more than two in the bush. Johnny gets hurt in the last year of his contract and poof, there goes any value coming back. The organization has done a piss poor job of asset management with players heading towards ufa (Iginla, Cammalleri, bouwmeester, etc) so I hope BT cashes out before you hit the point of diminishing returns.