2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[TheScorpion]

Hanifin, Andersson, and Sanheim, for sure. They and Valimaki would form the presumptive top-4 going forward. 2 LD, 2 RD. Perfectly balanced.

My protection list would likely be as follows:

Hall
Monahan
Tkachuk
Lindholm
Mangiapane
Dube
Anderson
Hanifin
Andersson
Sanheim
Rittich

Farabee, Valimaki exempt.

Backlund, Giordano, Brodie, Lucic, Stenlund, Phillips, Gawdin all exposed. My guess is Seattle would probably take Brodie.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

As a fan, here's what I'm looking at as a potential roster projection. Trying to be realistic and conservative here. No crazy swings in this projection.

To Columbus:
Oliver Kylington
Mark Jankowski
2020 2nd (CGY)

To Calgary:
Josh Anderson
Kevin Stenlund

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To Philadelphia:
Johnny Gaudreau
Sam Bennett

To Calgary:
Travis Sanehim
Joel Farabee
2020 1st (PHI)
2021 2nd (PHI)

UFA signings

Taylor Hall: 7 years, $7.50 million AAV

I like how you snuck Kevin Stenlund in there. He would be a sneaky pickup, as a Joel Otto lite. I don't think that you would have to add a second. Kylington is oddly underrated by Flames fans. Having a decent but not great rookie season is not a sign of failure.

Also of note would be that Farabee slots as a second line LW instead of a fourth line RW, but hey maybe there's that much depth.

I would do :

To Columbus:
Oliver Kylington
Mark Jankowski

To Calgary:
Josh Anderson
Kevin Stenlund

To New Jersey:
Johnny Gaudreau

To Calgary:
10th overall
13th overall
Micheal McLeod (I think that this player should be a RW, and would flourish there, he is nearly McDavid fast)

To Philly:
Sam Bennett (I think that Bennett would be a cult hero there)

To Calgary:
Shane Gostisbehere (50% retained) (Philly has been trying to move him for over a year, and he would look fine on the second pairing)


Sign Hall
Sign Sir Johnald Gillies as backup (ok, I haven't thought this through all the way)


Let Johnny trade be a mini-regroup for 2022.
Stenlund, McLeod and Anderson patrol the bottom six, and make them actually dangerous.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hanifin, Andersson, and Sanheim, for sure. They and Valimaki would form the presumptive top-4 going forward. 2 LD, 2 RD. Perfectly balanced.

My protection list would likely be as follows:

Hall
Monahan
Tkachuk
Lindholm
Mangiapane
Dube
Anderson
Hanifin
Andersson
Sanheim
Rittich

Farabee, Valimaki exempt.

Backlund, Giordano, Brodie, Lucic, Stenlund, Phillips, Gawdin all exposed. My guess is Seattle would probably take Brodie.

I see. I wonder if Brodie would sign a deal without knowing he was protected from expansion? He was as good as gone last summer so I assume he would want assurances or he would look elsewhere.

Anyways that's an awesome D and it would be fine even wothout Brodie IMO.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I see. I wonder if Brodie would sign a deal without knowing he was protected from expansion? He was as good as gone last summer so I assume he would want assurances or he would look elsewhere.

Anyways that's an awesome D and it would be fine even wothout Brodie IMO.

Yeah to add flexibility you could easily pursue a lesser RHD for sure.

Justin Schultz, anyone? 3 x $2.75? I'd do it.

And yeah re: Stenlund... I think he's an ideal bottom-six centre. Huge, right-handed, good feet, good hands. Like him a lot. Otto is a fun comparable.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I like how you snuck Kevin Stenlund in there. He would be a sneaky pickup, as a Joel Otto lite. I don't think that you would have to add a second. Kylington is oddly underrated by Flames fans. Having a decent but not great rookie season is not a sign of failure.

Also of note would be that Farabee slots as a second line LW instead of a fourth line RW, but hey maybe there's that much depth.

I would do :

To Columbus:
Oliver Kylington
Mark Jankowski

To Calgary:
Josh Anderson
Kevin Stenlund

To New Jersey:
Johnny Gaudreau

To Calgary:
10th overall
13th overall
Micheal McLeod (I think that this player should be a RW, and would flourish there, he is nearly McDavid fast)

To Philly:
Sam Bennett (I think that Bennett would be a cult hero there)

To Calgary:
Shane Gostisbehere (50% retained) (Philly has been trying to move him for over a year, and he would look fine on the second pairing)


Sign Hall
Sign Sir Johnald Gillies as backup (ok, I haven't thought this through all the way)


Let Johnny trade be a mini-regroup for 2022.
Stenlund, McLeod and Anderson patrol the bottom six, and make them actually dangerous.

Seriously? 2 mid 1st's and a 22 year old center with stone hands for Gaudreau. With these proposals I think there's something in our water

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Seriously? 2 mid 1st's and a 22 year old center with stone hands for Gaudreau. With these proposals I think there's something in our water

I might consider 10+13+Gusev... but I don't think it's enough. Jersey doesn't really make a good trading partner for us, unless they would trade Hischier and I think that's crazy to consider.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I might consider 10+13+Gusev... but I don't think it's enough. Jersey doesn't really make a good trading partner for us, unless they would trade Hischier and I think that's crazy to consider.

I have interest in the 7th pick.

7th pick, Zacha, Smith is a solid package and accomplishes a few things

1. Adds a high end prospect. One of Raymond, Drysdale, Rossi, Perfetti, Sanderson will be available at that pick. Likely a player that is contributing on the roster in a years time.
2. Zacha adds to center depth and comes in at $2.25M for 2 more years. 6th pick in the 2015 draft so 23-24 and put up 0.5ppg.
3. Ty Smith former first round pick Dman. AHL next year and pushing for a spot in 2021
4. Frees up $4.5M in cap space which should cover at least half of Hall’s cap hit.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I might consider 10+13+Gusev... but I don't think it's enough. Jersey doesn't really make a good trading partner for us, unless they would trade Hischier and I think that's crazy to consider.

New Jersey is about the only team with picks, cap space, need for scoring winger, and a chance to get Gaudreau to stay past two years that I can identify. They should hope to have two centers in place and need someone elite to play on the wing.

If Calgary is moving Gaudreau to bring in Taylor Hall (which I don't really care for) they will need to shed dollars or reallocate Gaudreau's salary to cover two other area's of need. Out of those options the most likely way to get an impact piece back in any deal is with a draft pick. I would insist on getting the number 7 pick in any deal with New Jersey though. But outside of their picks I don't see a whole lot of pieces that are very appealing. I'm not seeing a way to use a Gaudreau trade with Jersey to bolster the current team in other areas for equal money.

[Vinny01]

I can see why New Jersey would be all over bringing Gaudreau in. They have 2 1st overall picks that are centers so adding Gaudreau to one of their lines helps them reach their potential.

[Roof-Daddy]

I remember seeing a Devils fan propose Gaudreau and Kylington for Gusev, Boqvist, 7th overall and 11th overall.

If you're signing Hall that seems like a home run trade to me.

Gusev is a guy that I think if you put him in the Flames top six that included Hall, Tkachuk, Monahan and Lindhom would freaking explode from his 50+ point pace to an 80+ point pace. This is a guy who had 1.32 points per game in his last KHL season. He's also a right hand shot, but the big problem is he's a UFA after just one season and if he exploded like that you aren't getting him re-signed with a flat cap, plus as a Russian I doubt he'd be over joyed to come to Calgary in the first place.

So you soften the blow of losing Johnny immediately with the addition of Hall and Gusev, and then have Boqvist, 7th overall and 11th overall to help likely 1 to 3 years out and beyond.

Of course many other Devils fans crapped on it but mostly because they didn;t think they could get Johnny to sign another deal, which is weird given that he has a huge house in Jersey, but you get that a TON from other fan bases when them acquiring Gaudreau comes up. None of them think they would have beyond the 2 seasons except for Philly fans.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I can see why New Jersey would be all over bringing Gaudreau in. They have 2 1st overall picks that are centers so adding Gaudreau to one of their lines helps them reach their potential.

That's exactly right. Imagine the confidence Hischier/Hughes would get from having Gaudreau on their lines helping them hit the score sheet on a regular basis. Truth be told these are two of the weaker 1st overalls in recent years, the Devils have two really good players here, but they are not McDavid/Eichel level Cs who quickly became #1 franchise Cs capable of point per game + numbers with little help.

[Lanny_McDonald]

If the main return for Gaudreau is built around a pick outside the top three that is a huge failure. You will not get Taylor Hall to sign here if you're removing a top six player from a team that is need of another top six player or two. If the Flames deal Gaudreau they need to get back a top six talent that will play and contribute immediately. Otherwise this team takes yet another step backward. The focus on draft picks is crazy. They are total wild cards. Here's a list of the players selected at the draft slots being talked about. I'm going back from 2017 since most players take a couple years to show their potential to make the jump.

2017 - Lias Andersson (7), Owen Tippett (10), Nick Suzuki (13)
2016 - Clayton Keller, Tyson Jost, Jake Bean
2015 - Ivan Provorov, Mikko Rantanen, Jakub Zboril
2014 - Hayden Fleury, Nick Ritchie, Jakub Vrana
2013 - Darnell Nurse, Valeri Nichushkin, Josh Morrisey
2012 - Matt Dumba, Slater Koekkoek, Radek Faksa
2011 - Mark Scheifele, Jonas Brodin, Sven Baertschi
2010 - Jeff Skinner, Dylan McIlrath, Brandon Gormley
2009 - Nazim Kadri, Magnus Paajavi, Zack Kassian
2008 - Colin Wilson, Cody Hodgson, Colton Teubert
2007 - Jakub Voracek, Keaton Ellerby, Lars Eller
2006 - Kyle Okposo, Michael Frolik, Jiri Tlusty
2005 - Jack Skille, Luc Bourdon, Marek Zagrapan
2004 - Rostislav Olesz, Boris Valabik, Drew Stafford
2003 - Ryan Suter, Andrei Kostitsyn, Dustin Brown
2002 - Joffrey Lupul, Eric Nystrom, Alexander Semin
2001 - Mike Komisarek, Dan Blackburn, Ales Hemsky
2000 - Lars Jonsson, Mikhail Yakubov, Ron Hainsey

That is ugly. Not many stars on that list. A lot of guys were middling players, and a lot of names that didn't pan out. Risk with picks is crazy. I don't want to roll the dice when moving Gaudreau. I want players that are pretty well baked and you know what you are getting. If we don't get back a top flight player to contribute immediately, and some players on the verge with good potential, this has to be considered a failure. Dealing stars for draft picks is a clear indication of a rebuild. If we only get a handful of magic beans (picks) I would hope Treliving is shown the door.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by New Era

If the main return for Gaudreau is built around a pick outside the top three that is a huge failure. You will not get Taylor Hall to sign here if you're removing a top six player from a team that is need of another top six player or two. If the Flames deal Gaudreau they need to get back a top six talent that will play and contribute immediately. Otherwise this team takes yet another step backward. The focus on draft picks is crazy. They are total wild cards. Here's a list of the players selected at the draft slots being talked about. I'm going back from 2017 since most players take a couple years to show their potential to make the jump.

2017 - Lias Andersson (7), Owen Tippett (10), Nick Suzuki (13)
2016 - Clayton Keller, Tyson Jost, Jake Bean
2015 - Ivan Provorov, Mikko Rantanen, Jakub Zboril
2014 - Hayden Fleury, Nick Ritchie, Jakub Vrana
2013 - Darnell Nurse, Valeri Nichushkin, Josh Morrisey
2012 - Matt Dumba, Slater Koekkoek, Radek Faksa
2011 - Mark Scheifele, Jonas Brodin, Sven Baertschi
2010 - Jeff Skinner, Dylan McIlrath, Brandon Gormley
2009 - Nazim Kadri, Magnus Paajavi, Zack Kassian
2008 - Colin Wilson, Cody Hodgson, Colton Teubert
2007 - Jakub Voracek, Keaton Ellerby, Lars Eller
2006 - Kyle Okposo, Michael Frolik, Jiri Tlusty
2005 - Jack Skille, Luc Bourdon, Marek Zagrapan
2004 - Rostislav Olesz, Boris Valabik, Drew Stafford
2003 - Ryan Suter, Andrei Kostitsyn, Dustin Brown
2002 - Joffrey Lupul, Eric Nystrom, Alexander Semin
2001 - Mike Komisarek, Dan Blackburn, Ales Hemsky
2000 - Lars Jonsson, Mikhail Yakubov, Ron Hainsey

That is ugly. Not many stars on that list. A lot of guys were middling players, and a lot of names that didn't pan out. Risk with picks is crazy. I don't want to roll the dice when moving Gaudreau. I want players that are pretty well baked and you know what you are getting. If we don't get back a top flight player to contribute immediately, and some players on the verge with good potential, this has to be considered a failure. Dealing stars for draft picks is a clear indication of a rebuild. If we only get a handful of magic beans (picks) I would hope Treliving is shown the door.

That's right, dealing JG for picks is a huge risk no doubt. It can't be for just picks.

...and you bring up another good point too, if they deal him before the draft, then unless they've acquired Hall's rights and signed him already, then you'd be dealing Johnny before securing Hall which is another big risk (unless there is back channel tampering going on).

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

That's right, dealing JG for picks is a huge risk no doubt. It can't be for just picks.

...and you bring up another good point too, if they deal him before the draft, then unless they've acquired Hall's rights and signed him already, then you'd be dealing Johnny before securing Hall which is another big risk (unless there is back channel tampering going on).

And if you are dealing Johnny AFTER picking up Hall you are dealing for picks in 2021, and those are complete unknowns. The team you send Gaudreau to is likely to take a big step forward, driving potential picks further down the draft. This is why you have to look at known quantities and select the best players possible.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I remember seeing a Devils fan propose Gaudreau and Kylington for Gusev, Boqvist, 7th overall and 11th overall.

If you're signing Hall that seems like a home run trade to me.

Gusev is a guy that I think if you put him in the Flames top six that included Hall, Tkachuk, Monahan and Lindhom would freaking explode from his 50+ point pace to an 80+ point pace. This is a guy who had 1.32 points per game in his last KHL season. He's also a right hand shot, but the big problem is he's a UFA after just one season and if he exploded like that you aren't getting him re-signed with a flat cap, plus as a Russian I doubt he'd be over joyed to come to Calgary in the first place.

So you soften the blow of losing Johnny immediately with the addition of Hall and Gusev, and then have Boqvist, 7th overall and 11th overall to help likely 1 to 3 years out and beyond.

Of course many other Devils fans crapped on it but mostly because they didn;t think they could get Johnny to sign another deal, which is weird given that he has a huge house in Jersey, but you get that a TON from other fan bases when them acquiring Gaudreau comes up. None of them think they would have beyond the 2 seasons except for Philly fans.

I would try and swap Boquist for Zacha but absolutely yes to this one IMO.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I remember seeing a Devils fan propose Gaudreau and Kylington for Gusev, Boqvist, 7th overall and 11th overall.

I would run away from this trade quickly. Gusev is another small player and he's just played his first NHL season at the age of 28. He'll be 29 before the start of the next season and will have 66 games under his belt. That is the best asset coming back to the Flames? The other player is a guy with 3rd line center potential? The Flames take a big step backward with this trade and will be hoping the draft picks and Boqvist develop into something big, but that appears to be a long term play with three or four seasons before we see any tangible return. This is a rebuild trade.

[Poe969]

Would you consider Cozens to be a risk? I still think that if they can get Cozens, 8OA and Miller, it's the deal to take. I think Cozens could step in and be second behind Monahan for a couple of years until he becomes the #1C. There aren't 'many deals out there where we are going to get a player of equal value back. It's the time for the Flames to plug up some other holes, Cozens looks like a future elite C and with the #8 pick they're getting a high end prospect, one of the forwards listed, Drysdale or even Askarov which would be HUGE for the team's future. Miller looks like he could step in and play in the top 4 and really help the loss of Hamonic and Brodie.

[Vinny01]

If the Flames can get Cozens+8+Miller they should do that all day. Not sure Buffalo would give up both prime futures like that?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by New Era

I would run away from this trade quickly. Gusev is another small player and he's just played his first NHL season at the age of 28. He'll be 29 before the start of the next season and will have 66 games under his belt. That is the best asset coming back to the Flames? The other player is a guy with 3rd line center potential? The Flames take a big step backward with this trade and will be hoping the draft picks and Boqvist develop into something big, but that appears to be a long term play with three or four seasons before we see any tangible return. This is a rebuild trade.

Gusev is a late blooming potential star. He put up better numbers than Panarin did in the KHL and he always puts up massive numbers at the Worlds too. Then as a rookie in the NHL he put up 0.67 ppg with 2nd line minutes on one of the worst scoring teams in the league with little help. Plus one small guy in the top 6 isn't the end of the world, not if he can produce, and with JG going the other way you're still just carrying one of them up there. I could be wrong, but I would bet Gusev in the Flames top 6 would explode offensively.

As long as you can still get Hall signed then Gusev plus Hall would likely be a net positive than just having Gaudreau plus whatever you use the left over cap space for.

But we likely won't agree on that.

You could probably flip the 1st round picks too if you wanted. Tampa is in massive cap trouble, and has no 1st rounders any more. Maybe you can pry Cirelli, Sergachev or Point away from them if they can't dump cap some other way.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by New Era

I would run away from this trade quickly. Gusev is another small player and he's just played his first NHL season at the age of 28. He'll be 29 before the start of the next season and will have 66 games under his belt. That is the best asset coming back to the Flames? The other player is a guy with 3rd line center potential? The Flames take a big step backward with this trade and will be hoping the draft picks and Boqvist develop into something big, but that appears to be a long term play with three or four seasons before we see any tangible return. This is a rebuild trade.

Really depends on if the Flames believe that long term sustained success is a more viable option than trying to get over the top with this core. Luckily majority of this core are under 26 years old. Adding two top picks from Jersey nets you potentially Lucas Raymond and Seth Jarvis on top of Gusev who is a good enough replacement in the short term. Boqvist is pretty a pretty good Center who could slot in at the 2C spot.

Gusev regardless of age isn't a major drop off in production from Johnny on a vastly inferior team this year.

I dont know, if you're getting Hall and your LW looks like Tkachuk, Hall, Mangiapane, you more than covered for moving Johnny. Adding Gusev to the #2RW slot is perfect. Boqvist playing Center surrounded by Backlind and Ryan is pretty good too IMO. A young Center in a good slot at 3C.

Gives good balance overall, AND you get some good magic bean chances.

I also wouldn't mind Mcleod included in the trade either.