What if Sam Bennett has another good playoff performance?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Based on what?

Based on the most recent sample, which was this year when Ryan was injured and Bennett took his place as 3C. He showed that he was far above Jankowski, and below Ryan in effectiveness.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Based on the most recent sample, which was this year when Ryan was injured and Bennett took his place as 3C. He showed that he was far above Jankowski, and below Ryan in effectiveness.

That's fair ... he had metrics similar to Ryan with Dube and Lucic ... only about 45 minutes of time together so sample size is a stretch.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Based on the most recent sample, which was this year when Ryan was injured and Bennett took his place as 3C. He showed that he was far above Jankowski, and below Ryan in effectiveness.

OK...so he is better than Jankowski.

That much is a given...as i think 99% of the league was better than whatever Janko was this year.

That certainly does not qualify him as being better at the C position than at wing though....cause to this point in the last 6 seasons, that is simply untrue.

I think BT looks for upgrades on both guys whenever the time comes.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Based on the most recent sample, which was this year when Ryan was injured and Bennett took his place as 3C. He showed that he was far above Jankowski, and below Ryan in effectiveness.

Yet in last years playoffs Ryan was not fast enough to keep up with the Av's nor tough enough to slow them down... Bennett was.

Ryan's highlight in his 5 career playoff games that he dominate the Neutral zone faceoff dot winning 12 of 18.

As a top 3 C Ryan will be going up against Scheifele or Eakin or Lowry.

If you don't like Bennett as a C then there is a case for the Flames to Go with Monahan, Lindholm and Backlund.

Eakin has 46 career playoff games as a 2/3 C and is not easy to play against having shown gritty characteristics similar to Bennett in the playoffs.

[FanIn80]

In answer to the thread title...

"What if we're in the desert and it rains next week? Everything will be good for awhile, but we'll still be in the desert and the last time it rained was 4 years ago..."

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

In answer to the thread title...

"What if we're in the desert and it rains next week? Everything will be good for awhile, but we'll still be in the desert and the last time it rained was 4 years ago..."

abandon hope all ye who enter?

It doesn't matter if Bennett has a great playoffs and the Flames provide a bit of winning excitement it is the same as it ever was?

Your glass is not half empty.... it is mostly empty.

Are you lowering expectations in hope for a better outcome?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

abandon hope all ye who enter?

It doesn't matter if Bennett has a great playoffs and the Flames provide a bit of winning excitement it is the same as it ever was?

Your glass is not half empty.... it is mostly empty.

Are you lowering expectations in hope for a better outcome?

He's being a realist- in this case we now have more than ample evidence with Bennett playing during regular season play to know that he doesn't show the same level of jam/awareness/je ne sais quoi. Even if he does play amazing during the playoffs, it leaves us in the same position- what do we do with a player who is mostly useless 98% of the time but really effective 2% of the time? Just like if we were in a desert and thought it might rain this week. Great, we will have water next week. But we need water for the next 3 years, and so far we know that Bennett runs dry. And Bennett doesn't provide enough "water" on his own to guarantee an end to the cup drought.

[ForeverFlameFan]

For the sake of Calgary Flames fans and Bennett's career, this may be the time where we part ways after this season. We could use his 2.5m to sign Taylor Hall or a UFA defenseman when the offseason occurs. If Bennett got more ice time on a team in desperate need of a LW/C, that's the team that should pursue for Bennett. Bennett unfortunately is on a team that is stacked in both positions.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

For the sake of Calgary Flames fans and Bennett's career, this may be the time where we part ways after this season. We could use his 2.5m to sign Taylor Hall or a UFA defenseman when the offseason occurs. If Bennett got more ice time on a team in desperate need of a LW/C, that's the team that should pursue for Bennett. Bennett unfortunately is on a team that is stacked in both positions.

Current centres :

Monahan
Backlund
Ryan
Jankowski

After the firesale centres :

Lindholm
Dube
Bennett
Gawdin

Centre prospects as a result of firesale :

Cozens ?
Kotkaniemi ?
Rossi ?

Maybe it's just the state of the team right now, but the dropoff isn't as far as I thought it would be, if all of Calgary's centres were suddenly sold off. I can't shake the feeling that the best centres arn't even playing the right position on this team. I'm warming to the idea of Lindholm, Backlund, Bennett, Ryan.

Sell Monahan and Jankowski, along with JG and Hanifin, and do a rebuild on the fly. Bennett for centre!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Current centres :

Monahan
Backlund
Ryan
Jankowski

After the firesale centres :

Lindholm
Dube
Bennett
Gawdin

Centre prospects as a result of firesale :

Cozens ?
Kotkaniemi ?
Rossi ?

Maybe it's just the state of the team right now, but the dropoff isn't as far as I thought it would be, if all of Calgary's centres were suddenly sold off. I can't shake the feeling that the best centres arn't even playing the right position on this team. I'm warming to the idea of Lindholm, Backlund, Bennett, Ryan.

Sell Monahan and Jankowski, along with JG and Hanifin, and do a rebuild on the fly. Bennett for centre!

That isnt a rebuild...that is blowing it up.

Trading 3 core players...so a guy who has proven he cant play C....can play C?

What is happening here?

[Harry Lime]

The idea was to see whether Calgary was stacked in the centre position, or if we were wearing rose coloured glasses. I think that the glasses are a little rosy, and that there is some work to be done at the position, which could include Bennett.

[Vinny01]

I think this run will be the end of the line for Bennett as a Flame. I have been a huge fan and believer of him since we drafted him back in 2014. I like the style he plays and when he is on I love that he is on our team but he just won’t get it here.

I could see Bennett thriving in a new situation and still becoming a 20 goal 50pt threat and with his style of play he will be a valuable player for whatever team he goes to.

I see him as a sweetener on a blockbuster deal. If he has a beast playoffs though I wonder if the Flames could swap him for Dylan Strome in a deal?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The idea was to see whether Calgary was stacked in the centre position, or if we were wearing rose coloured glasses. I think that the glasses are a little rosy, and that there is some work to be done at the position, which could include Bennett.

I may have gotten you misunderstood with my poor post. I should've said Bennett would be better off on a team that could use a LW/C, because we are stacked on LW and have 4 centers that play better than him at the position.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think this run will be the end of the line for Bennett as a Flame. I have been a huge fan and believer of him since we drafted him back in 2014. I like the style he plays and when he is on I love that he is on our team but he just won’t get it here.

I could see Bennett thriving in a new situation and still becoming a 20 goal 50pt threat and with his style of play he will be a valuable player for whatever team he goes to.

I see him as a sweetener on a blockbuster deal. If he has a beast playoffs though I wonder if the Flames could swap him for Dylan Strome in a deal?

It would take a pretty substantial add to turn bennett into strome at this point Imo. Unless Bennett goes supernova in the playoffs (even then I don't see anyone falling for it.)

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

For the sake of Calgary Flames fans and Bennett's career, this may be the time where we part ways after this season. We could use his 2.5m to sign Taylor Hall or a UFA defenseman when the offseason occurs. If Bennett got more ice time on a team in desperate need of a LW/C, that's the team that should pursue for Bennett. Bennett unfortunately is on a team that is stacked in both positions.

Wouldn't his 2.5 M go straight to Mangiapane? Jankowski or his replacement will be at the league minimum.

Depending on how far the Flames go in the playoffs the priority might change to a top-10 goalie as a target and a top-4 d-man to replace Brodie rather than upgrading a pretty solid top-6/7 if you count Ryan.

[Joborule]

So far so good.

[oldschoolcalgary]

i think the big question is what to do about the expansion draft.

Milan Lucic
Johnny Gaudreau
Sean Monahan
Elias Lindholm
Matthew Tkachuk
Dillon Dube
Andrew Mangiapane
Mikael Backlund
Sam Bennett

that's nine fowards. Even if Lucic waives his NMC, calgary is still one player over the limit.

Seems like they will have to do something like a trade unless they want to lose someone for nothing.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

i think the big question is what to do about the expansion draft.

Milan Lucic
Johnny Gaudreau
Sean Monahan
Elias Lindholm
Matthew Tkachuk
Dillon Dube
Andrew Mangiapane
Mikael Backlund
Sam Bennett

that's nine fowards. Even if Lucic waives his NMC, calgary is still one player over the limit.

Seems like they will have to do something like a trade unless they want to lose someone for nothing.

That’s a good list. Want to keep them all at this point!

[AC]

Dube and Mangi should be considered part of the core going forward. Johnny may not be here for the expansion draft, but ideally there's another forward taking his place (Hall, or a forward we traded Johnny for).

If you buy into Bennett long term then I think you expose Backlund IMO, and I really like Backs.

[jlh2640]

Sam Bennett. Wow. Just wow.