26 y.o. New Brunswick woman shot and killed by Police

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Moore wasn’t killed standing on her balcony, holding a knife, because she might have had a gun. What are we even talking about?

Maybe I'm not understanding this - is it a case where she was on her balcony yelling threats, and the cops were on the ground? That is, in order to hurt them, she literally would have had to jump off a balcony and attack them? Or is it more a front porch situation, where they knock on the door and she answers it swinging a knife around screaming "I'll kill you all"?

I read the initial story and it sounded like the latter, but maybe things have changed as more facts have come out. If there's somewhere I can read a detailed account without the standard "questions are being asked" and "implications for police" stuff, that would be good.

[metallicat]

This says she came out of the apartment and attacked the officer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/vancouv...7a11d78f9/amp/

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Treating a situation as if there is a gun present is one thing. Using lethal force when you’ve established there isn’t is another.

Moore wasn’t killed standing on her balcony, holding a knife, because she might have had a gun. What are we even talking about?

How do you know she was standing on her balcony?

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

How do you know she was standing on her balcony?

An earlier article stated that. It's pretty clear we don't know the full details.

What sort of sucks in these cases is the police, rightfully so, cannot say anything due to the investigation which takes a long time. In the mean time speculation runs rampant and fingers are pointed in the media and on the internet.

[monkeyman]

This is a really sad story.
I feel for her daughter and family.
I'll wait to pass judgement one way or the other, especially in this already difficult time and period of unrest, and instead just grieve for those who lost a mom, daughter, friend...

[woob]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

As wood said, this is looking at like situations.

How many guns Canada has is irrelevant to how lethal forced is used when a gun isn’t present.

Come on man! I am not a tree byproduct.

[Alpha_Q]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

I typed it into Google. Boom!

https://amp-scroll-in.cdn.ampproject...eople-in-turku

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nm - pages and pages late, and already dealt with.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This situation is about a lady holding a knife. The issue remains how the police do not handle situations like this well enough, and the comparisons are to illustrate how much better they COULD handle the SAME situations.

I concede, but how do we talk about how this situation could have been handled better when we don't even know what the situation was?

There's not even a discussion to be had if the fundamental belief is that it is virtually impossible for law enforcement to be killed by a knife.

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Maybe I'm not understanding this - is it a case where she was on her balcony yelling threats, and the cops were on the ground? That is, in order to hurt them, she literally would have had to jump off a balcony and attack them?

The police have said they had "no choice" so I somewhat doubt she was up on a balcony and not within range of doing any damage.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Acey

I concede, but how do we talk about how this situation could have been handled better when we don't even know what the situation was?

There's not even a discussion to be had if the fundamental belief is that it is virtually impossible for law enforcement to be killed by a knife.



The police have said they had "no choice" so I somewhat doubt she was up on a balcony and not within range of doing any damage.

Just to be clear I didn't say Law enforcement couldn't be killed by a knife, I said Law enforcement in Canada and the UK where they don't have guns, are almost never actually killed by knives, about 1 policeman a decade is killed in both the UK and Canada, as threats to policemen go it is all but insignificant compared to car accidents, falling off things etc.

If the rational for shooting someone with a knife is self defence and yet the killing of citizens seems to make absolutely no difference to the number of policemen killed it would seem reasonable that the police should be forced to alter their response as it isn't neccersary

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Acey

I concede, but how do we talk about how this situation could have been handled better when we don't even know what the situation was?

There's not even a discussion to be had if the fundamental belief is that it is virtually impossible for law enforcement to be killed by a knife.



The police have said they had "no choice" so I somewhat doubt she was up on a balcony and not within range of doing any damage.

Second point, of course the Police said they have no choice, they would say that no matter what, they would say that if they knew full well they had utterly screwed the pooch, its what the police say, its what they said about killing George Floyd

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Maybe I'm not understanding this - is it a case where she was on her balcony yelling threats, and the cops were on the ground? That is, in order to hurt them, she literally would have had to jump off a balcony and attack them? Or is it more a front porch situation, where they knock on the door and she answers it swinging a knife around screaming "I'll kill you all"?

I read the initial story and it sounded like the latter, but maybe things have changed as more facts have come out. If there's somewhere I can read a detailed account without the standard "questions are being asked" and "implications for police" stuff, that would be good.

This was not clarified yet.

However, as we can only speculate, there's one thing to consider. If she was within a knife striking distance of an officer, she would surely see the uniform. Which would imply that she was knowingly trying to stab a policeman. Can't rule out anything, but it doesn't make much sense. There was no need to make threats let alone swing knife to make officer go away, as she could just tell him to do so. He didn't come to arrest her or anything.

The other scenario is that she was standing some distance away from the cop, was holding a knife, and couldn't recognize the cop in the dark. She refused to drop the knife and was shot. Seems more likely and the same thing happened in Texas, except for that texan woman was holding a gun.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Acey

The police have said they had "no choice" so I somewhat doubt she was up on a balcony and not within range of doing any damage.

And this is exactly what makes me seriously doubt policemen's story. We are supposed to believe that a normal woman with a daughter, a job and no criminal record would try to stab a cop in the middle of the night near her apartment. She had no reason to do it whatsoever and considering there were two armed cops, it was a suicidal encounter for her. It would be impossible for her to not recognize two strong men in uniform within striking range. I'm not buying it.

My best guess : she heard noise and came out with a knife to protect herself from a drunk intruder. Officer shouted from the dark to drop the knife, perhaps not realizing she lives there. She doesn't realize it's a cop, refuses and shouts back, hence "making threats", as per police. Then officer shoots.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Pointman

And this is exactly what makes me seriously doubt policemen's story. We are supposed to believe that a normal woman with a daughter, a job and no criminal record would try to stab a cop in the middle of the night near her apartment. She had no reason to do it whatsoever and considering there were two armed cops, it was a suicidal encounter for her. It would be impossible for her to not recognize two strong men in uniform within striking range. I'm not buying it.

My best guess : she heard noise and came out with a knife to protect herself from a drunk intruder. Officer shouted from the dark to drop the knife, perhaps not realizing she lives there. She doesn't realize it's a cop, refuses and shouts back, hence "making threats", as per police. Then officer shoots.

lol just because she is female and has a daughter and a job means nothing, regular people snap all the time. She knew that was an officer.

[jayswin]

The speculation in this thread both in favour of and opposing officers is absurd. "The officers knew this and that".."she was only doing this"..."she knew it was an officer"...they had no other choice". All balderdash unless you just want something to be true and don't mind twisting the unknown to known in your mind. Which is fine I guess, as it's part of the basic instinct of our species.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Pointman

And this is exactly what makes me seriously doubt policemen's story. We are supposed to believe that a normal woman with a daughter, a job and no criminal record would try to stab a cop in the middle of the night near her apartment. She had no reason to do it whatsoever and considering there were two armed cops, it was a suicidal encounter for her. It would be impossible for her to not recognize two strong men in uniform within striking range. I'm not buying it.

My best guess : she heard noise and came out with a knife to protect herself from a drunk intruder. Officer shouted from the dark to drop the knife, perhaps not realizing she lives there. She doesn't realize it's a cop, refuses and shouts back, hence "making threats", as per police. Then officer shoots.

Wait, so you think she left the safety of her own home, armed with a knife to confront an intruder? How does that make any sense when she could have locked the door, gone to her 5 year old and called police?

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Wait, so you think she left the safety of her own home, armed with a knife to confront an intruder? How does that make any sense when she could have locked the door, gone to her 5 year old and called police?

It's possible? I mean, she didn't call the police in the first place, she called her boyfriend, who called police. Maybe she doesn't like police. Maybe she's afraid of them? Maybe she felt that a noise outside of her house wasn't "worth" calling police over. Maybe she felt if she showed whoever was making the noise that there was someone home she could scare them off. There are tons of possibilities.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

lol just because she is female and has a daughter and a job means nothing, regular people snap all the time. She knew that was an officer.

Of course you are right, all kinds of people suffer breakdowns, have crisis in their lives and need treatment, but we shoot some of them instead.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Of course you are right, all kinds of people suffer breakdowns, have crisis in their lives and need treatment, but we shoot some of them instead.

And so we should if they're trying to kill someone.

[Ducay]

Geez - 200+ posts of speculation already.....guess I'll add my bet: suicide by cop due to victim being in suicidal mental state.

Shame either way

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Geez - 200+ posts of speculation already.....guess I'll add my bet: suicide by cop due to victim being in suicidal mental state.

Impossible. It was a normal woman with a daughter, a job and no criminal record.