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View Poll Results: If you could vote on Super Tuesday who would you vote for?
Joe Biden 35 16.43%
Michael Bloomberg 14 6.57%
Pete Buttigieg 18 8.45%
Amy Klobucher 9 4.23%
Bernie Sanders 102 47.89%
Elizabeth Warren 23 10.80%
Other 12 5.63%
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Old 03-08-2020, 08:56 PM   #2121
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so do educate me, please. If we are not trying to churn out workers what the hell are we educating people for?
Nope. Not worth the time. I don't believe you're genuinely interested in that.
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Old 03-08-2020, 08:58 PM   #2122
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seriously I am, why, as a society do we pay a fortune to educate people other than to improve our economy?
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Old 03-09-2020, 12:42 AM   #2123
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There is nothing likeable about Bernie, he's a crotchety old man, he could just as easily be complaining about the kids in the neighbourhood playing hockey on the street as going on about healthcare.

That you might like his policies doesn't make him likeable, he seems devoid of humour or much personality
This definitely seems to be the going propaganda viewpoint of Bernie.


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Old 03-09-2020, 12:59 AM   #2124
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This definitely seems to be the going propaganda viewpoint of Bernie.


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He might be a riot at parties, all I have to go on is what I see on TV and that's an earnest to the point of brow beating old geezer hunched over the microphone who doesn't smile or crack a joke just goes on and on about his policies, its how I imagine Peter 12's dad would sound if he was a socialist.

I'm not against him or his policies, I don't think any of them are really great candidates but on the podium Bern is just brutal, what he's like at a baseball game who knows and who cares, what counts is what he's like on a podium.
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Old 03-09-2020, 09:53 AM   #2125
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ah, the old

"give people free education and they'll all become doctors of basket weaving and gender studies" argument

also lol @ the biggest cost of school is living expenses

i think ok boomer is an adequate response to this guy
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ah, the old

"give people free education and they'll all become doctors of basket weaving and gender studies" argument

also lol @ the biggest cost of school is living expenses

i think ok boomer is an adequate response to this guy
First there is no free education, its just a question of who pays for it.

Second an educations value is proportional to its scarcity, when only 20% of the population has a degree it is a ticket to a good job, when 50% of the population has a degree it gets you an average job (the clue's in the 50%), the reason is quite simple, there aren't vast numbers of good jobs, someone still has to make the coffee at Starbucks, in this 'free education' future your BA qualifies you to work at Costco, no more.

Third, unlike you I deal with free tuition already, I'm a foster dad and my foster kids get free tuition but they still cant afford to go to school as they don't have parents who can keep them, feed them and take care of them for 4 years, so yes for the 'poor' free tuition is meaningless, for the middle class a nice gift.
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Old 03-09-2020, 11:49 AM   #2127
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I hire new BComm Accounting grads now at less than 40K and there are 200 resumes everytime there is an opening. In this market we could pay less but that would be pretty ####ty.
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Speaking of pretty ####ty, these new Michigan polls are pretty ####ty for Bernie. If Biden runs up a double digit win tomorrow night we might literally go from Bernie as the front runner to suspending his campaign in the span of two weeks. Can't see why he'd continue if he loses that badly in a must win state.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1237072243626258433
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Old 03-09-2020, 12:02 PM   #2129
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I hire new BComm Accounting grads now at less than 40K and there are 200 resumes everytime there is an opening. In this market we could pay less but that would be pretty ####ty.
WTF? So like $20 an hour or so?
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Speaking of pretty ####ty, these new Michigan polls are pretty ####ty for Bernie. If Biden runs up a double digit win tomorrow night we might literally go from Bernie as the front runner to suspending his campaign in the span of two weeks. Can't see why he'd continue if he loses that badly in a must win state.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1237072243626258433
At this point, Bernie getting hammered in the primaries is probably for the best. It is really important that the nominee selection does not look like a result of the DNC or the MSM putting their fingers on the scale in what otherwise could have been a Bernie win. Some people will still feel it was unfair anyways, but I expect it will be less so if it's obvious that voters are overwhelmingly choosing Biden rather than Bernie being in with a chance to the end. This is also why it would have been much better not have networks like MSNBC so obviously taking sides. The appearance of an unfair process is the worst thing for the party and for democracy.
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WTF? So like $20 an hour or so?
Yup. They are basically doing bookkeeping.

That said, they can opt into a CPA program and we'll pay for that.
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WTF? So like $20 an hour or so?
The irony of the 'send everyone to college' argument is it actually brings down the wages of jobs, if you create an abundance of CPA's or programmers or anything else they become worth less.

Still what do I know? I'm a boomer, I thought the answer to too many indebted millennials with degrees and crap jobs would be to send less kids to Uni' not more
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The irony of the 'send everyone to college' argument is it actually brings down the wages of jobs, if you create an abundance of CPA's or programmers or anything else they become worth less.

Still what do I know? I'm a boomer, I thought the answer to too many indebted millennials with degrees and crap jobs would be to send less kids to Uni' not more
It’s about giving people an opportunity who may have not had it otherwise.

Not everyone is going to take advantage of it and make it work for them as an individual. Obviously.

And, again, no one is picturing the status quo of what’s being taught to go along with this. What is being taught is an issue as well.
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Yup. They are basically doing bookkeeping.

That said, they can opt into a CPA program and we'll pay for that.
That used to be the idea of the CGA and CMA didn’t it? Graduate high school, start working somewhere while working toward your designation in parallel.

All we added now was 4 extra years of school
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It’s about giving people an opportunity who may have not had it otherwise.

Not everyone is going to take advantage of it and make it work for them as an individual. Obviously.

And, again, no one is picturing the status quo of what’s being taught to go along with this. What is being taught is an issue as well.
If you are poor, how do you survive for 2 or 4 years without income? how the eff does this give anyone an opportunity? you might as well mandate access to internships.
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That used to be the idea of the CGA and CMA didn’t it? Graduate high school, start working somewhere while working toward your designation in parallel.

All we added now was 4 extra years of school
At $10,000 per.
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That used to be the idea of the CGA and CMA didn’t it? Graduate high school, start working somewhere while working toward your designation in parallel.

All we added now was 4 extra years of school
yep, the BA has become todays grade 12
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If you are poor, how do you survive for 2 or 4 years without income? how the eff does this give anyone an opportunity? you might as well mandate access to internships.
I don’t know, easily feed yourself with a minimum wage job while being able to afford school.....
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I don’t know, easily feed yourself with a minimum wage job while being able to afford school.....
so work 40 hours a week plus school, to get a degree that qualifies you for the minimum wage job you already have, that seems like a good use of the finite resources we have.
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so work 40 hours a week plus school, to get a degree that qualifies you for the minimum wage job you already have, that seems like a good use of the finite resources we have.
You seem to want to deliberately ignore all middle ground and focus on extremes. I have no idea why someone would need to work 40 hours a week to pay for rent and food while attending school that is covered.
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