Practice notes March 3 - Lindholm maint. Hamonic skating on his own.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The stats don't lie. Talbot's .919 SV% is starting caliber. Regardless of his last loss or two at the dome he's provided better goaltending on average when he plays. I don't have favorite players. I don't care if either of these goaltenders are back next season but I do care about the progress of the Flames and making the playoffs. I don't think it's the end of the world if Rittich starts tomorrow but if he rewards the coaching staff with another stinker at home I think it's time to bench him and roll with Talbot exclusively until he has a stinker. This team can't afford to hitch itself to a goaltender that's mired in a really bad slump.

Very fair argument. His numbers are certainly better.

My Talbot thing is he just doesn't look in control of things some nights, even when he makes the save. Pucks through him trickle wide. Pucks off the knob of his stick.

That certainly wasn't the case in Florida on Sunday though.

The other stat that hasn't changed though, is the team plays better in front of Talbot than they do in front of Rittich, at least in some categories.

Talbot faces 2 more shots per 60 minutes, but Rittich faces an additional high danger chance per 60, which is key.

The average shot distance for Talbot is a foot further than Rittich.

[Sec218]

Talbot's first shutout was against the Ducks; BSD starts the next game against the Hawks, but gets pulled after 4 goals. I sure hope history does not repeat itself.

[djsFlames]

Flames need to get points at home.

Let's go back to the goalie that hasn't won at home in over 2 months.

[Gaskal]

Really hope Ward doesn't square-peg-round-hole it with the defence pairings, considering the chemistry we're starting to find with Hanifin - Andersson.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Looks like Talbot seemingly has a habit of spectacularly crapping the bed next start after a shutout.

Bizzaro Kipper

[delayedreflex]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Sooo…… here is what the rest of the season looks like (spaces to show days between games):



I could see Ward starting Rittich on Wednesday (as it's not a divisional game), to try and get him going at home. Then go back to Talbot on Friday, and then decide who plays Sunday based on what happens in the first two games. After that you've got a few days off to re-evaluate.

Fully agree with this - if Rittich needs to play at least 1 of the next 3 games to not go stale, this next game against Columbus is the lowest risk game to see where he's at. If you think Talbot is the better of the two right now, you'd prefer him to play in the divisional games instead. I know some people like the idea of just riding a goalie while they're hot and think Talbot should play all 3 games, but if they started Talbot against CBJ and he played poorly, how good would you be feeling about either of them against Arizona the next game?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Loving the fact the Quinton Hugh's and Tyler Myers appear to be injured. Not at practice today and Nucks "fans" are getting ready to jump off the wagon!

How in God's name can you butcher the use of an apostrophe that badly?

[Gaskal]

Cruickshank on 960 says that Ward stopped practice midway through during zone entries and yelled for about 5 min because guys weren't doing it at game speed and fancily over-passing.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

How in God's name can you butcher the use of an apostrophe that badly?

Um, cause i don't give 2 ####s.

But thanks for your reply to my post...it was awesome

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Cruickshank on 960 says that Ward stopped practice midway through during zone entries and yelled for about 5 min because guys weren't doing it at game speed and fancily over-passing.

Dump it in.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Um, cause i don't give 2 ####s.

But thanks for your reply to my post...it was awesome

Thanks. I did not think it was awesome, but was just curious how you butchered that so badly.

Regarding the state of the Canucks themselves, I hope they fall out of the playoff race, ending in 9th place, one spot ahead of the 10th place Oilers.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Cruickshank on 960 says that Ward stopped practice midway through during zone entries and yelled for about 5 min because guys weren't doing it at game speed and fancily over-passing.

Did he whip his stick into the stands?

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Cruickshank on 960 says that Ward stopped practice midway through during zone entries and yelled for about 5 min because guys weren't doing it at game speed and fancily over-passing.

Did he throw a stick?

Edit: Ahhh too slow.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

When Hamonic returns...what happens?

No idea, but the Flames have played great 5-on-5 Hockey in his absence. Since Feb 08th the Flames have been:

53.27% CF (5th)
52.97% FF (8th)
57.00% xGF (3rd)
58.92% GF (5th)
55.58% SCF (3rd)
59.11% HDCF (3rd)

contrast that with the 13 games prior in 2020:

49.06% CF (20th)
48.94% FF (20th)
49.24% xGF (19th)
44.42% GF (25th)
49.10% SCF (20th)
48.56% HDCF (20th)

in which Hamonic was

45.78% CF
44.61% FF
42.18% xGF
47.75% GF
43.54% SCF
46.35% HDCF


I just hope Hamonic's return doesn't upset this run of quality 5v5 hockey. The smart place would be to alternate him and Forbort as Gustaffsson/Kylington's partner on the third pair and ultimately play whoever actually plays better.

[streetglide]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Um, cause i don't give 2 ####s.

But thanks for your reply to my post...it was awesome

I think you mean ####‘s....

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Very fair argument. His numbers are certainly better.

My Talbot thing is he just doesn't look in control of things some nights, even when he makes the save. Pucks through him trickle wide. Pucks off the knob of his stick.

That certainly wasn't the case in Florida on Sunday though.

The other stat that hasn't changed though, is the team plays better in front of Talbot than they do in front of Rittich, at least in some categories.

Talbot faces 2 more shots per 60 minutes, but Rittich faces an additional high danger chance per 60, which is key.

The average shot distance for Talbot is a foot further than Rittich.

I find this a very curious position,

Cause when other players are talked about and how they "look" (and actually produce) , you are pretty quick to clobber that argument with the fancy stats.

Quite a dichotomy.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The stats don't lie. Talbot's .919 SV% is starting caliber.

SV% is a stat. But in the flow of a game so much can happen. At the end of the day:

Talbot is 10-10-1 (82 pt pace)
Rittich is 24-16-6 (96 pt pace)

Sure, maybe Rittich's gotten more goal support. But goals aren't devoid of context either.

If you let in the first shot of the game, maybe your team overcompensates the rest of the night.

If you keep your team in the game long enough for your team to get a lead, the other team probably presses more and scores more.

Rittich is 2-1-1 in his last four NHL starts. Could easily be 3-1-0 if not for 0.1 of a second, too. It's not as if he's cost us a game singlehandedly.

The Predators put up 38 shots on him, I have to think he made at least a few quality saves to get us a lead heading into the end of that game.

The Lightning absolutely dominated the Flames, to a tune of 4.81 - 2.63 in expected goals. Rittich let in 4 goals and we scored 3. Anyone hanging that loss on him is crazy.

The Blackhawks? Talbot was just as bad as Rittich. Team defense was embarassing.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I find this a very curious position,

Cause when other players are talked about and how they "look" (and actually produce) , you are pretty quick to clobber that argument with the fancy stats.

Quite a dichotomy.

If you say so.

I'm just telling you what I think, and then I go into three forms of underlying stats to support what I'm saying.

Dichotomy? Lack of consistency?

When I talk about high danger rates per 60, shots per game, and shot distance?

Did you not read the rest?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If you say so.

I'm just telling you what I think, and then I go into three forms of underlying stats to support what I'm saying.

Dichotomy? Lack of consistency?

When I talk about high danger rates per 60, shots per game, and shot distance?

Did you not read the rest?

Condescension noted.

You jump all over people that ignore "fancy stats" when it comes to certain players ......yes or no?

I mean they are just telling you "what they think" as well, right?

"If I say so"?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

But for Talbot Flames lose to Florida.

Ward knows that, right?

Talbot didn't steal that game. He got a shutout, but Flames win regardless.