[PGT] Yep, we’re as soft as toilet paper. Flames lose to bottom feeding Sharks 3-1.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Meh as has been said a hundred times on this board they don’t care so why should we?

I was going to head to Van for the game on Saturday but why bother.

I travelled to Toronto and Ottawa to see them.

That Ottawa game left me with such a rotten taste that I don’t think I could recommend traveling to see this bad team.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

This is in staggeringly complete disagreement with the post you responded to that addressed Crosby and team under bad coach vs good.

And then there are the Blues last year.

Maybe I misunderstand you, but coaches actually do contribute to team success.

They do, not trying to argue that coaching doesn’t make a difference. I’m arguing that in this particular case with the 19-20 Calgary Flames I don’t believe coaching is as big an issue as it’s being made out to be. I don’t believe hiring Gallant or Laviolette is going to change much unless the players are changed too.

I believe a much bigger issue is that the team has a ton of underperforming players both in the top six and bottom six. The top six is struggling to produce at the pace they are capable of and the bottom six is struggling to produce at all.

I’m not saying I’m opposed to hiring a new coach, I just don’t think it will make much of a difference if they do. I just don’t see a team that has tuned out their coach, I see a team that has bad players.

[Mathgod]

Is this team going to be a buyer at the deadline, or a seller at the deadline? A couple of games ago I would have said buyer, but now I'm not so sure...

[NewFan]

One thing bothers me is mistakes, turnovers are become just regular thing and accepted by the players. When they turn over the puck they don't try hard to win back. And we need real coach.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Meh as has been said a hundred times on this board they don’t care so why should we?

I was going to head to Van for the game on Saturday but why bother.

I dumped season tix mid Gully and have no regrets.

It’s way less headache to buy the games you want to attend at a fraction of face value than it is to try to sell and recoup the games you don’t want to see for STH price, so you’re not taking a bath.

You work hard for your dollars, they matter.

[CGY12]

Said it before and I'll say it again. Team lacks speed, south to north type players that can put the opposition on its heels. Team needs to retool with this in mind. Open to trading almost everybody (not named Tkachuk, Anderssen, Valamaki), but in typical Flames fashion they've probably held on to assets too long and now face the reality of them having limited value. I will say if the team can go out and get Kapenen, I would for a player on the current roster.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

If the Flames don't make it pass the first round of the playoffs, I believe Treliving is done as GM.

It doesn't seem like it's worth hiring a coach when the GM is justifiably on such thin ice. A nrew GM would make that decision.

Believe it all you want, it won't happen. He just signed an extension.

People convince themselves of some strange things.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Our whole forward lineup is a bunch of left handed shot forwards. This causes guys to never be able to get open on the forehand on the cycle or breakout and results in overhandling the puck. We need at least two more righties to add to Lindholm and Ryan. And I don't see Robinson as the answer although he's been energetic.

Yeah, makes one's coaching job a lot easier if one whole friggin side of the ice is basically a non-threat all game because of the ####ty forward balancing. You either have to be skating almost backwards or be on the backhand. These days in the NHL with how much tighter the gap control is, you can't split the D unless you are superstar caliber or even get one to open up the inside shooting lane.

Send Dube back down as I don't think he needs to go through waivers for another year, he's been ice cold and largely ineffective. And waive Reider. Bring up Czarnik and Phillips. Hell, bring up ####ing Zavgorodniy at this point.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Believe it all you want, it won't happen. He just signed an extension.

People convince themselves of some strange things.

I wouldn't make it a sure thing Tre isn't on the hot seat if they miss the dance or get booted first round again.

He's had a few big missteps so far and the in one year out the other year is probably weighing on Ownership.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

They do, not trying to argue that coaching doesn’t make a difference. I’m arguing that in this particular case with the 19-20 Calgary Flames I don’t believe coaching is as big an issue as it’s being made out to be. I don’t believe hiring Gallant or Laviolette is going to change much unless the players are changed too.

I believe a much bigger issue is that the team has a ton of underperforming players both in the top six and bottom six. The top six is struggling to produce at the pace they are capable of and the bottom six is struggling to produce at all.

I’m not saying I’m opposed to hiring a new coach, I just don’t think it will make much of a difference if they do. I just don’t see a team that has tuned out their coach, I see a team that has bad players.

I appreciate the clarification and think that the team was first last year and a bubble team now. I just can’t buy that the players are bad in general

Is Tkachuk is a 64 point guy? Is Johnny? From 99?

Somebody needs to get them to play to their potential because their potential is valid

[Flames0910]

Feel like as a team the players are trying to do different things.

Hamonic and Lucic are playing safe.
Johnny is still high risk, but nobody wants to pass to him.
Monahan wants to play stronger defence but still defers to Gaudreau.
Tkachuk / Lindholm / Mangiapane at least seem to be on the same page.
Gio wants to do it all.
Brodie / Hanafin change it up on any given shift.

And perhaps most frustrating of all (based on the last few seasons of success with this group) the back end is no longer prepared to play a stretch pass, even with forwards streaking. there’s nothing to keep team’s honest. Just safe, inconsistent play for other groups to take advantage.

[Mathgod]

How's this for a stat: since December 14, this team has lost by more than one goal 9 times, while winning by more than one goal just twice.

[WhiteTiger]

I was at the game tonight.

It felt like they really started the first period strong. But when they didn't get anything to 'show' for it, came out for a weak 2nd and a brutal 3rd. It kinda felt like you could just see the will to play draining away from the team.

It felt like I saw a lot of uncalled hooks and trips by the Sharks in the first 30 minutes, too.

Despite the loss, it was also one of the more amusing games I was at. There was a lady close by who was really into cheering, and she brought everyone up with her. It was pretty fantastic, and about as noisy as I've ever seen that section of the 'Dome.

Also, sitting beside me, was a Brit, who was just in town from London, attending his first ever NHL game. He even "knew enough to wear red!" It was neat seeing the game through the eyes of someone who's never seen a live NHL hockey game before.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

The ingredients that were the best team in the Western Conference last year are all rotten?

Ok

So it's all Ward then? Not Backlund, Jankowski, Bennett, Lucic, Gaudreau, Rieder, Dube, Hamonic, Hanifin and Kylington bringing things down most nights?.

Good must keep ingredients: Rittich, Tkachuk, Andersson, Lindholm, Ryan
Useable/tolerable ingredients: Monahan, Giordano, Brodie, Mangiapane, Talbot
Parsley: Robinson, Stone, Rinaldo

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

So it's all Ward then? Not Backlund, Jankowski, Bennett, Lucic, Gaudreau, Rieder, Dube, Hamonic, Hanifin and Kylington bringing things down most nights?.

Good must keep ingredients: Rittich, Tkachuk, Andersson, Lindholm, Ryan
Useable/tolerable ingredients: Monahan, Giordano, Brodie, Mangiapane, Talbot
Parsley: Robinson, Stone, Rinaldo

No, it’s so them. They want to lose.

They want to go D to D and turn it over.

[Johnhitbox]

On the fan overtime, Robert is fired up and rightfully so.

[Flames0910]

I was at the game tonight.

It felt like they really started the first period strong. But when they didn't get anything to 'show' for it, came out for a weak 2nd and a brutal 3rd. It kinda felt like you could just see the will to play draining away from the team.

It felt like I saw a lot of uncalled hooks and trips by the Sharks in the first 30 minutes, too.

Best sears I’ve ever had for one of the worst games I’ve ever watched.

Spent a lot of time watching Gaudreau (from Center ice not too far from the bench) and he was always hunched over on the bench, never talking to his line mates, all alone on the ice. Seemed like he was frustrated when his teammates passed him up on the ice, often for more difficult pass options. Honestly he just looked defeated.

Also saw Joe Thornton shove him in the boards, right in front of the bench with the ref standing right there with the pick nowhere near either player. Gaudreau went to get up and Joe gave him another shove back to the ice. Made me feel for how difficult the game must be for him these days with the lack of calls and size disadvantage.

[Scary Eloranta]

I don’t see how coaching can make a difference with this team. You could have have a hall of fame coach and that wouldn’t change a thing. I think the big mistake they’ve made is that they’ve grossly overrated the talent on this team. If Treliving is such a great GM as most people on here seem the think, then why does this team continually stink?


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[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Is this team going to be a buyer at the deadline, or a seller at the deadline? A couple of games ago I would have said buyer, but now I'm not so sure...

As long as they're in a playoff spot or really close to one they're going to be a buyer. Not a big buyer but they're going to look for ways to upgrade. It's going to take a huge collapse for them to be a seller. With the way they're playing right now that's possible but not definite.

Even if you don't think you're a contender you aren't just going to give up going for a playoff spot unless you think you have too many teams to pass.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Scary Eloranta

I don’t see how coaching can make a difference with this team. You could have have a hall of fame coach and that wouldn’t change a thing. I think the big mistake they’ve made is that they’ve grossly overrated the talent on this team. If Treliving is such a great GM as most people on here seem the think, then why does this team continually stink?


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If they have “overrated the talent”, how did they win the Western Conference?

Is Johnny a 65 pointer or a 95 pointer? Did we imagine 99?