[GT] New Years Eve Battle

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would start with how many major player for player mid season trades happens at all
The cap is a huge factor in those deals not being made anymore

Since January 2012 -- the date of the Flames' last major midseason player-for-player trade -- here are the biggest players each NHL team has acquired in a midseason player-for-player shakeup deal.

Anaheim: Adam Henrique, David Perron

Arizona: Nick Schmaltz, Darcy Kuemper, Richard Panik, Anthony Duclair, Antoine Vermette

Boston: Charlie Coyle

Buffalo: Evander Kane, Zach Bogosian, Matt Moulson, Jaroslav Halak, Chris Stewart, Cody Hodgson

Carolina: Nino Niederreiter, John-Michael Liles

Chicago: Dylan Strome, Brendan Perlini, Anthony Duclair, Kris Versteeg

Colorado: Samuel Girard, Mikkel Boedker, Jamie McGinn

Columbus: Seth Jones, Thomas Vanek, Marian Gaborik, Jack Johnson

Dallas: Andrew Cogliano, Greg Pateryn, Jason Demers, Erik Cole

Detroit: David Legwand

Edmonton: Sam Gagner, Mike Cammalleri, David Desharnais, Zack Kassian, Derek Roy

Florida: Derick Brassard, Riley Sheahan, Roberto Luongo

Los Angeles: Carl Hagelin, Tobias Rieder, Dion Phaneuf, Jussi Jokinen, Ben Bishop, Vincent Lecavalier, Jeff Carter

Minnesota: Kevin Fiala, Ryan Donato, Victor Rask, Tom Gilbert

Montreal: Jordie Benn, Philip Danault, Devante Smith-Pelly, Sergei Gonchar, Dale Weise (twice), Michael Ryder, Dustin Tokarski

Nashville: Ryan Johansen, Wayne Simmonds, Mikael Granlund, Kyle Turris, Patrick Eaves, Filip Forsberg (techically)

New Jersey: Sami Vatanen

NY Islanders: Thomas Vanek, Michal Neuvirth

NY Rangers: Ryan Strome, Marty St Louis, Derick Brassard, Vlad Namestnikov

Ottawa: Anders Nilsson, Marian Gaborik, Dion Phaneuf, Cory Conacher (Kyle Turris barely misses the cut by like three weeks)

Philadelphia: Ryan Hartman, Cam Talbot, Valtteri Filppula, Jordan Weal, Radko Gudas, Steve Downie

Pittsburgh: Erik Gudbranson, Jared McCann, Nick Bjugstad, Tanner Pearson, Derick Brassard (kinda), Riley Sheahan, Trevor Daley, Carl Hagelin, David Perron

San Jose: James Reimer, Brenden Dillon, Daniel Winnik

St Louis: Ryan Miller, Robert Bortuzzo, (Kris Russell barely misses the cut)

Tampa Bay: Ryan McDonagh, JT Miller, Peter Budaj, Braydon Coburn, Ryan Callahan, Ben Bishop

Toronto: Milan Michalek, Jared Cowen, Alex Stalock, Tim Gleason

Vancouver: Tanner Pearson, Josh Leivo, Markus Granlund, Jacob Markstrom, Zack Kassian

Vegas: Ryan Reaves (kind of)

Washington: Jaroslav Halak, Nick Jensen, Daniel Winnik

Winnipeg: Tyler Myers, Drew Stafford

...

Calgary: Dalton Prout? Curtis Lazar? Hunter Shinkaruk? Nicklas Backstrom? Drew Shore? Kevin Westgarth? Ladislav Smid? Akim Aliu?

Basically every single team in the NHL has added multiple impact players through midseason player-for-player trades. The Flames' biggest add in that time is Ladislav Smid, a 6/7 defenseman. And this doesn't even include pure buys, where teams added to their lineup without making any player subtractions (picks only).

But even then, with those "buying" trades considered, the Flames have only added Michael Stone, Oscar Fantenberg, and Nick Shore since 2012. Not exactly gearing up for a late-season playoff push.

[Yobbo]

There's gonna be many pissed off, and drunk Flame fans here tonight. I'm hoping I'm not one of them.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

So far I’m hating 2020.

Get some pretend glasses.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I actually disagree, although I’d say he’s quickly showing he’s struggling to get this team to the next level. I’d say it’s tough to say how much of that is his fault except for the clear eggs he’s laid when it comes to choosing coaches.

But other than that, I struggle to complain about him. Inherited what I think was the franchise in the worst shape in the league assets wise 6 years ago given the previous management (likely at ownership request) choice to ride out the Kipper and Iggy years to the bitter end and extract no value from the clear need to rebuild.

From there he’s managed to show a bias for action and this team has made the playoffs 3 of 6 years, and became respectable far quicker then I ever dreamed possible back in 2013. So I don’t think he’s overrated, but I think it’s very fair to question whether he has the right make up to push bubble team to contender......very different skill from rebuilding a team IMO.

A core that can't and won't win much.

An overrated d core where the best player is a diminishing 36 year old, and some young guys who could be top or bottom pairing dmen. I think Hanafin is not going to be a top pairing d, fingers crossed for valimaki and Anderson though. What is hamonic even doing here still?? Dumb move by treliving in the first place, guess he doesn't want to admit idiocy on that one.

Forwards...well the entire calendar year if 2019 is evidence. Great job signing backlund long term BTW. Oh but we added lucic for 3 seasons so that is an improvement right? What is Bennett even doing here still???

And finally goaltending.... Some no name goalie is our 60 game ace. Not even a tandem situation. So many big name goalies have changed jerseys over the past 5 years, this guy brings in smith......

I dunno, it's been 5 years with this gm. I'm not saying it's ALL bad but the on ice product speaks for itself. Just another mediocre gm, running another mediocre franchise. To call treliving anything above an average gm in the league is an overestimation in my opinion.

[TBone290]

I love Krahner

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

At least Adam Fox is losing tonight. Bad enough he is already a better dman than Hanifin, worse is that he and Hamilton have more points than Hanifin and Lindholm this year. But at least he is losing tonight.

Can’t decide what’s worse, your flames takes or your politics. I guess if it was up to you you would’ve sat on fox as he refused to sign until you lost him for nothing. Moron.

[Johnny Makarov]

Holy! Brent Krahn looks like a whiter Louis Debrusk!

[djsFlames]

I am annoyed at how streaky/ hot and cold this goddamn team can be.

There isn't enough of a middle ground.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That’s not what I was saying
Right now it’s better to have the third than not right?

Jeepers

Sorry. I'm really upset about tonight.

[Otto29]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

So far I’m hating 2020.

Its not 2020 yet...

[browna]

Ward playing his trump card in putting Peters’ lines back together.

Not sure which is more important, finding the coach to scare some of these players into playing a consistent game, or finding another top 6 player to play with MT, now that the lines have reverted and MT’s new/old line mates have a total of 6 goals combined in 70 combined games.

[Yobbo]

Lehners beard is his saving grace.

[Blaster86]

Every goalie is a noname goalie until they make a name for themself though...

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

So far I’m hating 2020.

What time zone are you in?

[Johnny Makarov]

Well i'm out, but i have a feeling the Flames come back tonight. The Hawks are still a terrible team.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Can’t decide what’s worse, your flames takes or your politics. I guess if it was up to you you would’ve sat on fox as he refused to sign until you lost him for nothing. Moron.

Canes got good value for him, 37th overall pick and a 3rd. That would have been good value for Fox.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Since January 2012 -- the date of the Flames' last major player-for-player trade -- here are the biggest players each NHL team has acquired in a midseason player-for-player shakeup deal.

Anaheim: Adam Henrique, David Perron

Arizona: Nick Schmaltz, Darcy Kuemper, Richard Panik, Anthony Duclair, Antoine Vermette

Boston: Charlie Coyle

Buffalo: Evander Kane, Zach Bogosian, Matt Moulson, Jaroslav Halak, Chris Stewart, Cody Hodgson

Carolina: Nino Niederreiter, John-Michael Liles

Chicago: Dylan Strome, Brendan Perlini, Anthony Duclair, Kris Versteeg

Colorado: Samuel Girard, Mikkel Boedker, Jamie McGinn

Columbus: Seth Jones, Thomas Vanek, Marian Gaborik, Jack Johnson

Dallas: Andrew Cogliano, Greg Pateryn, Jason Demers, Erik Cole

Detroit: David Legwand

Edmonton: Sam Gagner, Mike Cammalleri, David Desharnais, Zack Kassian, Derek Roy

Florida: Derick Brassard, Riley Sheahan, Roberto Luongo

Los Angeles: Carl Hagelin, Tobias Rieder, Dion Phaneuf, Jussi Jokinen, Ben Bishop, Vincent Lecavalier, Jeff Carter

Minnesota: Kevin Fiala, Ryan Donato, Victor Rask, Tom Gilbert

Montreal: Jordie Benn, Philip Danault, Devante Smith-Pelly, Sergei Gonchar, Dale Weise (twice), Michael Ryder, Dustin Tokarski

Nashville: Ryan Johansen, Wayne Simmonds, Mikael Granlund, Kyle Turris, Patrick Eaves, Filip Forsberg (techically)

New Jersey: Sami Vatanen

NY Islanders: Thomas Vanek, Michal Neuvirth

NY Rangers: Ryan Strome, Marty St Louis, Derick Brassard, Vlad Namestnikov

Ottawa: Anders Nilsson, Marian Gaborik, Dion Phaneuf, Cory Conacher (Kyle Turris barely misses the cut by like three weeks)

Philadelphia: Ryan Hartman, Cam Talbot, Valtteri Filppula, Jordan Weal, Radko Gudas, Steve Downie

Pittsburgh: Erik Gudbranson, Jared McCann, Nick Bjugstad, Tanner Pearson, Derick Brassard (kinda), Riley Sheahan, Trevor Daley, Carl Hagelin, David Perron

San Jose: James Reimer, Brenden Dillon, Daniel Winnik

St Louis: Ryan Miller, Robert Bortuzzo, (Kris Russell barely misses the cut)

Tampa Bay: Ryan McDonagh, JT Miller, Peter Budaj, Braydon Coburn, Ryan Callahan, Ben Bishop

Toronto: Milan Michalek, Jared Cowen, Alex Stalock, Tim Gleason

Vancouver: Tanner Pearson, Josh Leivo, Markus Granlund, Jacob Markstrom, Zack Kassian

Vegas: Ryan Reaves (kind of)

Washington: Jaroslav Halak, Nick Jensen, Daniel Winnik

Winnipeg: Tyler Myers, Drew Stafford

...

Calgary: Dalton Prout? Curtis Lazar? Hunter Shinkaruk? Nicklas Backstrom? Drew Shore? Kevin Westgarth? Ladislav Smid? Akim Aliu?

Basically every single team in the NHL has added multiple impact players through midseason player-for-player trades. The Flames' biggest add in that time is Ladislav Smid, a 6/7 defenseman. And this doesn't even include pure buys, where teams added to their lineup without making any player subtractions (picks only).

But even then, with those "buying" trades considered, the Flames have only added Michael Stone, Oscar Fantenberg, and Nick Shore since 2012. Not exactly gearing up for a late-season playoff push.

Did Hamilton + Ferland for Lindholm and Hanifin not happen?

Edit: Sorry missed the mid-season part

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Every goalie is a noname goalie until they make a name for themself though...

A lot of them start off as a tandem situation till they can roll with it.

Wtf is Talbot even doing here?

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

What time zone are you in?

I’m in London.

Nearly 4 am.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

So far I’m hating 2020.

I don’t have a date either.