[News] UPD: Friedman: Peters being officially removed as head coach is close

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by stone hands

the comment section on that article(like most comment sections) is a complete mess

####ing yikes

well it is a link to Fox News, after all.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Otto29

The problem is that people have already decided he is guilty regardless of the truth. The optics dictate he needs to be let go. That being said, many of you should be ashamed of yourselves. We live in a country where people are innocent until proven guilty...

The truth is that Bill Peters hurled racial slurs at a rookie player, refused to apologize for it, and further sewered this players career when called to account for it. Other players who were there when all this happened have corroborated the incident.

I am forming my judgment on the basis of the facts which have been reported.

Perhaps you should put yourself in the persons shoes before judging

What shoes are those? Does Bill Peters somehow have an excuse for this reprehensible behaviour?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

So this has hit the "news" down here

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nhl-f...ur-allegations

Yeah, so much for this not being tagged with the Flames. "Flames" in almost every headline, and the flaming C being in almost every picture of every story that's come out in the last 24 hours. The Flames are doing the right thing, but this is still going to be associated with the Flames, just like the Dennis Wideman incident will always be associated with the team.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by stang

Brian Burke was on 630 this afternoon and had glowing reviews about Tippet as well. I already knew Biz was a huge fan. Raves about him on the spitting chicklet’s podcast at times. I guess that’s good news



Wrong thread, this one is the BP=NG thread

Every thread is an E=NG thread. They just are.

[ToraToraTora]

Originally Posted by Otto29

The problem is that people have already decided he is guilty regardless of the truth. The optics dictate he needs to be let go. That being said, many of you should be ashamed of yourselves. We live in a country where people are innocent until proven guilty. Perhaps you should put yourself in the persons shoes before judging

Innocent until proven guilty is a criminal concept. This is not a criminal charge. It's also a concept that originated because of a very high proportion of crimes punishable by death, so they wanted to be pretty sure someone did something before killing them. While Peters will experience a consequence, I don't think he's going to be short-drop hanged, or sent to Australia.

Almost everything else is a balance of probabilities. Ie, what probably happened.

Yes, we don't know exactly what happened, and we probably never will, but there is substantiated information about what was said.

Right now, yeah, he probably said those things, and because of that, should no longer be associated with this team.

I feel bad for the guy in a personal capacity. I never like to see people lose their jobs, and I feel bad for his family. But, since these things probably happened, he should no longer be employed by the Flames. That said, I'm more than content waiting to see the fruits of the investigation, which he is entitled to.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by stang

Wrong thread, this one is the BP=NG thread

Every thread is the E=NG thread.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Otto29

The problem is that people have already decided he is guilty regardless of the truth. The optics dictate he needs to be let go. That being said, many of you should be ashamed of yourselves. We live in a country where people are innocent until proven guilty. Perhaps you should put yourself in the persons shoes before judging

The Flames are working to verify...

We can judge all we want, we just can't fire the guy. It seems to me the Flames are doing this by the book. Guessing they are conducting a workplace investigation (likely with outside counsel), suspended Peters with pay for the time being and working through the contract to see if they can avoid paying severance. I would expect nothing less.

[ToraToraTora]

If I was external counsel working on this file, I would be upping my liability insurance. I don't blame them taking their time on this one.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

FYI, Paul Bissonette was on SN650 this AM and had glowing praise for Tippet's handling of young players and journeymen.

This is good news, and when the Oilers do collapse and fail will serve to reinforce what everyone already knows to be true...

No.

Not even Dave Tippett and his exceptional positive reinforcement through coaching can save the Oilers.

No one can.

No one.

Edmonton is no good.

Oilers are always gonna Oiler. It's not a matter of if, but when. I can't think of a better scenario than this year's Oilers team imploding after 35-40 games near the top, only to finish in the 10-12 spot yet again.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ToraToraTora

If I was external counsel working on this file, I would be upping my liability insurance. I don't blame them taking their time on this one.

They will give an opinion on the agreement, couched in a lot of qualifications, one being you never know what will happen in court. And recommend some sort of settlement. That kind of stuff doesn't lead to an insurance claim. And frankly, Peters' salary for 1.5 years is a pretty small claim for a law firm.

Liability insurance is almost completely used for black and white stuff like missed limitation periods, failure to respond to offers, not following instructions leading to losses, missing clauses that the other side drafts that impact your client, etc.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

This post is stupid

These type of posts really drag down CP to the lowest common denominator of social media.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

The Flames are working to verify...



We can judge all we want, we just can't fire the guy. It seems to me the Flames are doing this by the book. Guessing they are conducting a workplace investigation (likely with outside counsel), suspended Peters with pay for the time being and working through the contract to see if they can avoid paying severance. I would expect nothing less.

Yes they can just fire him. Happens all the time in pro sports. As has been mentioned there is no severance in a case like this. It's not like a normal job. He has a guaranteed contract that pays him until the end of next season. They can simply fire him and keep paying him until then. The only other thing they can try to do is get out of that contract on the basis of ethical behaviour. In that case they can give him some money to go away or they can try to give him nothing and hope he doesn't sue. The holdup is due to this. I'd guess they're figuring out a mutually agreeable amount for Bill to walk away and not keep this in the news.

[ToraToraTora]

Originally Posted by Corral

These type of posts really drag down CP to the lowest common denominator of social media.

Not quite, as mentioned above, please see the Fox News comment section about this.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by chedder

Yes they can just fire him. Happens all the time in pro sports. As has been mentioned there is no severance in a case like this. It's not like a normal job. He has a guaranteed contract that pays him until the end of next season. They can simply fire him and keep paying him until then. The only other thing they can try to do is get out of that contract on the basis of ethical behaviour. In that case they can give him some money to go away or they can try to give him nothing and hope he doesn't sue. The holdup is due to this. I'd guess they're figuring out a mutually agreeable amount for Bill to walk away and not keep this in the news.

This pretty much exactly what I just said. The "we" in "we can't fire him" is the general public. The Flames can fire him.

[sureLoss]

Friedman says a face to face meeting between Peters and the NHL i likely to occur raising the possibility of punishment by the NHL

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...-likely-occur/

As we wait for Calgary to finish its investigation into Bill Peters’ conduct, it appears the coach will also have to explain himself to the National Hockey League. The timing is dependent on the Flames’ own actions, but a face-to-face meeting with the league is, in the words of one source, “likely to occur.”

I don’t want to jump to any conclusions, but it should be noted that it does raise the possibility of league-mandated punishment in addition to anything Calgary does.

Article VI, Section 5 (j) of the NHL Constitution allows commissioner Gary Bettman to “expel or suspend (anyone) for a definite or indefinite period” who he has determined to be “guilty of conduct detrimental to the League or the game of hockey.”

There is also room for a fine of up to $1 million, and termination of employment. (Any suspension longer than two years can be appealed.)

[Mike F]

If the Flames lawyers haven't issued their opinion by now, they should get new lawyers. They should know the contract and contract/employment law, and the facts and players shouldn't take this long to investigate.

And this is coming from a lawyer.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Corral

These type of posts really drag down CP to the lowest common denominator of social media.

Some of the posts dragging CP down in this thread were penned by you. Take some responsibility for what you’ve said.

You said, “There is no legal reason” after multiple people had informed you with articles showing why there are legal reasons. It was a stupid thing to say. Note I did not call you stupid. But your post most clearly was.

I mean if you open your mouth and say something foolish and I point it out how is that dragging CP down? You said something stupid, deal with it. It certainly isn’t the first time.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Mike F

If the Flames lawyers haven't issued their opinion by now, they should get new lawyers. They should know the contract and contract/employment law, and the facts and players shouldn't take this long to investigate.

And this is coming from a lawyer.

I don't think that is fair. They may be having difficulty contacting and arranging interviews for potential witnesses (which there appear to be many). Or perhaps they are already negotiating a settlement with Peters. Who knows? I've seen similar investigations take weeks and weeks (obviously those investigations didn't have the pressure that media scrutiny brings but still...)

[Toonage]

Lawyers are making sure Peters doesn't get paid out for being a racist POS.

Take your time.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mike F

If the Flames lawyers haven't issued their opinion by now, they should get new lawyers. They should know the contract and contract/employment law, and the facts and players shouldn't take this long to investigate.

And this is coming from a lawyer.

You're assuming that the lawyers have a complete statement of the facts. That's a huge assumption and likely wrong.

I'm not sure why everyone is so anxious to get this resolved so quickly. Peters is away from the team, and everyone should be content to sit tight and let the process run its course.