[News] UPD: Friedman: Peters being officially removed as head coach is close

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Listen to Brind'Amour's comments. If he or others in the Carolina organization were asked about Peters's controversial behaviour, it seems the likely response was "this happened, the players and management dealt with it properly, and there have been no subsequent issues."

Again, it is difficult to see how Treliving or the Flames should be culpable for things about which they had no first hand information.

"yeah, he definitely punched and kicked two different players on two different occasions. Then Players and staff members went to the general manager about him punching and kicking players and the general manager handled it correctly, and the coach didn't punch or kick another player after that."

This is the culture problem in full effect.

Reminder that Brind'Amour wants a job in the league and this entire scandal is about coercion and manipulation. He's supporting his players by confirming that it happened, but there is nothing for him or his organization to gain at all by continuing to elaborate on it publicly. He wants to get the hell out of this situation and shift the focus back onto positive things associated with his club, not go out of his way to sewer another coach or a powerful hockey executive he might be reliant on in the future for work, or worse, someone who could have him blackballed from the league in general.

This scandal is about hockey punishing people for speaking out. You aren't going to get a long lineup of guys who want to work in hockey spouting off in front of TV Cameras.

I'm not saying the flames are 'culpable'. I'm saying the question should be, are they incompetent if they hired a coach with this much baggage without either knowing about it or caring about it enough to dissuade them from the hire.

They are blameless in a situation where it's just the fallout of Peters/Aliu. When it comes out that he was disciplined in his last job he held before coming to the flames for PUNCHING AND KICKING HIS PLAYERS, I have to wonder about such a targeted hiring process.

Truly, maybe the Flames just had no inkling at all. But as we are seeing and hearing, that's increasingly unlikely, as the hockey community talks. That's what I mean about the more stuff comes out, the worse it is.

Easy not to hear about one or two isolated incidents, but maybe that's just a sign of not doing due diligence.

Am I wrong here, or have things gotten progressively worse over the last 24 hours as more and more information comes out? Does that somehow reflect positively on the Flames, or has each piece of information made this fiasco worse?

[Wastedyouth]

There are a lot of jumping to conclusions and massive leaps of logic going on in this thread.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

To be fair, that’s not by choice. The Flames are equally complicit in turning a blind eye, just not any more so than those organisations.

The Nword stuff came out and they handled it immediately. Punching a player in the helmet was no big deal until yesterday apparently. There is video of a current coach doing it on national tv and it was barely a blip on the NHL radar.

[Corral]

As time continues to roll it suggests to me that the delay is because the Flames are deciding whether to turf Treliving along with Peters in this debacle.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Am I wrong here,

Yeah.

or have things gotten progressively worse over the last 24 hours as more and more information comes out? Does that somehow reflect positively on the Flames, or has each piece of information made this fiasco worse?

Nothing that's come out in the last 24 hours has reflected poorly on the Flames. Perhaps something will come to light, but that hasn't happened. Hoping we can hold the hysteria, hyperbole, alarmist words like fiasco, pr nightmare etc until then.. but probably not. Where is the fun in taking a calm rational stance when being bold and dramatic is so much more fun.

[The Yen Man]

I don't think it makes the Flames look bad at all, to be honest. I agree with Sarich and Commodore. Treliving isn't culpable for any of this mess with Peters. It's not like he's going to call individual players that played for a coach to do a reference check.

Honestly, it reflects worse on the Blackhawsk and Cane's organizations than it does the Flames.

[sureLoss]

Forbes has a Legal Q&A about what is potentially happening behind the scenes right now:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmac.../#49233048781e

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Corral

As time continues to roll it suggests to me that the delay is because the Flames are deciding whether to turf Treliving along with Peters in this debacle.

I don't think so. I can't see how BT gets fired for things Peters did before his tenure with the Flames that were not spoken of before.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Corral

As time continues to roll it suggests to me that the delay is because the Flames are deciding whether to turf Treliving along with Peters in this debacle.

Treliving is the primary source of information coming from the Flames, so I would doubt that there is any correlation

I'll re-iterate it as I don't think it's been brought up for a few pages: but by all accounts, there is a legal reason behind there not being an announcement. Once that's finished, I'm sure the announcement will quickly follow. But the team is very much operating without Bill Peters

[Torture]

Does anybody really think that would come up in a reference?

Say Treliving called Brind'Amour for a reference on Peters and how he is as a coach. Brind'Amour wouldn't mention that Peters kicked and punched a player behind the bench and management dealt with it. People don't say bad things in reference checks which is why they're pretty much useless.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I don't think it makes the Flames look bad at all, to be honest. I agree with Sarich and Commodore. Treliving isn't culpable for any of this mess with Peters. It's not like he's going to call individual players that played for a coach to do a reference check.

Honestly, it reflects worse on the Blackhawsk and Cane's organizations than it does the Flames.

Especially since it's more leaguers and cup of coffee type guys coming out now. Why would Tre check with those guys?

[D as in David]

What evidence is there that Treliving didn't ask about whether Peters' had any previous acts of abuse? Because he hired him?

It is pretty common nowadays in the corporate world for companies to not provide any negative feedback when asked to provide a reference for an ex-employee for fear of legal repercussions. And, as we have heard, there is a culture of hiding or covering up abuse in the sports world. Just because people knew of Peters' past abuses doesn't guarantee they would have offered it up if asked.

I'm not trying to defend Treliving because I know he did his due diligence but those who are categorically saying he is either complicit because he found out about the abuses or never asked, recognize that you can only be speculating.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I don't think it makes the Flames look bad at all, to be honest. I agree with Sarich and Commodore. Treliving isn't culpable for any of this mess with Peters. It's not like he's going to call individual players that played for a coach to do a reference check.

Honestly, it reflects worse on the Blackhawsk and Cane's organizations than it does the Flames.

Only an idiot or an extreme Treliving hater would think that it is a bad look for the Flames.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Corral

As time continues to roll it suggests to me that the delay is because the Flames are deciding whether to turf Treliving along with Peters in this debacle.

That would be a shocking turn. I think you are looking to add drama.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think so. I can't see how BT gets fired for things Peters did before his tenure with the Flames that were not spoken of before.

Sure. but my narrative is that Peters and Treliving had full disclosure about this in the hiring process ... and Treliving either accepted Peters' side of the story or - in accordance with the 'culture' shrugged his shoulders and decided that it only reinforced his desire for a tough guy in the locker room.


So when Peters is let go, he is going to explain his disappointment that Treliving knew about this and hired him anyways. And then things get much worse for the Flames if Treliving is still around.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Torture

Does anybody really think that would come up in a reference?

Say Treliving called Brind'Amour for a reference on Peters and how he is as a coach. He's not going to mention that Peters kicked and punched a player behind the bench once. People don't say bad things in reference checks which is why they're pretty much useless.

Especially an incident that was reported, handled and moved on from in his mind

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Corral

Sure. but my narrative is that Peters and Treliving had full disclosure about this in the hiring process ... and Treliving either accepted Peters' side of the story or - in accordance with the 'culture' shrugged his shoulders and decided that it only reinforced his desire for a tough guy in the locker room.


So when Peters is let go, he is going to explain his disappointment that Treliving knew about this and hired him anyways. And then things get much worse for the Flames if Treliving is still around.

It is fun to fabricate narratives, I will give you that....

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Corral

Sure. but my narrative is that Peters and Treliving had full disclosure about this in the hiring process ... and Treliving either accepted Peters' side of the story or - in accordance with the 'culture' shrugged his shoulders and decided that it only reinforced his desire for a tough guy in the locker room.


So when Peters is let go, he is going to explain his disappointment that Treliving knew about this and hired him anyways. And then things get much worse for the Flames if Treliving is still around.

And you're basing this narrative on....what exactly?

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Split98

Treliving is the primary source of information coming from the Flames, so I would doubt that there is any correlation

I'll re-iterate it as I don't think it's been brought up for a few pages: but by all accounts, there is a legal reason behind there not being an announcement. Once that's finished, I'm sure the announcement will quickly follow. But the team is very much operating without Bill Peters

Whatever that is. Everyone can be let go with adequate severance for no reason whatsoever. There is no legal reason. Its either about money or something more dramatic. I'm guessing the latter because there is no shortage of money at the Flames desk. they hand it out like candy.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Split98

Treliving is the primary source of information coming from the Flames, so I would doubt that there is any correlation

I'll re-iterate it as I don't think it's been brought up for a few pages: but by all accounts, there is a legal reason behind there not being an announcement. Once that's finished, I'm sure the announcement will quickly follow. But the team is very much operating without Bill Peters

Yup. If Treliving was on the hotseat for this, he would not be the team's point of contact with the media.