11-26-2019, 01:07 PM
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#241
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First Line Centre
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When do we hear from the Real Deal? Let's be honest, Bill Peters turned James Neal into Milan Lucic.
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11-26-2019, 01:08 PM
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#242
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Makes you wonder what we'll hear trickle out from Flames players in the next year.
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I would think, the current Flames players won't comment.
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11-26-2019, 01:08 PM
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#243
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Former #Canes player Michal Jordan confirms to #TSN that there were "multiple" physical altercations between coach Bill Peters and players in Carolina.
"He kicked me pretty hard in the back during a game," Jordan said. "Even the trainers and the other guys saw it."
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11-26-2019, 01:08 PM
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#244
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
Yeah, but here we are like 11 years later and Aliu is now coming forward. Plus two team mates, address this now, but did nothing at the time as well. So really how much reference checking are you going to do? Short of asking every single player who played for Peters that Direct question, I doubt Treliving was going to uncover it. In a way it's terrible, that something like this was silent for this long. Who know's what Aliu's career could have been if this is addressed properly at the time.
From what I remember of Aliu, he was always a guy with a lot of potential, but always seemed to have trouble fitting in with his teams. Had people or teams taken a different approach with him, maybe he would have been able to reach his potential.
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There is a direct connection between the things I've bolded.
I know you're not really putting anything on him for not coming forward on it, but many posters seem to have trouble with the idea.
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11-26-2019, 01:09 PM
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#245
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Former #Canes player Michal Jordan confirms to #TSN that there were "multiple" physical altercations between coach Bill Peters and players in Carolina.
"He kicked me pretty hard in the back during a game," Jordan said. "Even the trainers and the other guys saw it."
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I was unsympathetic to arguments that Treliving could have known about the Aliu stuff. But this stuff probably could have been determined with some digging around. Surely pro scouts have contacts that can ID this.
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11-26-2019, 01:10 PM
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#246
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Former #Canes player Michal Jordan confirms to #TSN that there were "multiple" physical altercations between coach Bill Peters and players in Carolina.
"He kicked me pretty hard in the back during a game," Jordan said. "Even the trainers and the other guys saw it."
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Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Jordan: "I was at that point in my career, like I just got there, so I couldn't say anything. I didn't want them to think I was crying. Me and my agent, we kept it secret. Now other guys are speaking out, so I felt like I could."
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11-26-2019, 01:11 PM
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#247
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Former #Canes player Michal Jordan confirms to #TSN that there were "multiple" physical altercations between coach Bill Peters and players in Carolina.
"He kicked me pretty hard in the back during a game," Jordan said. "Even the trainers and the other guys saw it."
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Time to kick a guy in the back while he's down, with all the bad things he's done in his life, because one of them is of the most serious kind.
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11-26-2019, 01:11 PM
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#248
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
I was unsympathetic to arguments that Treliving could have known about the Aliu stuff. But this stuff probably could have been determined with some digging around. Surely pro scouts have contacts that can ID this.
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Just put it on the application.
1) Are you or have you ever been a racist?
2) Do you assault players?
Problem solved.
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Looks like you'll need one long before I will. May I suggest deflection king?
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11-26-2019, 01:12 PM
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#250
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Okotoks
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
I was unsympathetic to arguments that Treliving could have known about the Aliu stuff. But this stuff probably could have been determined with some digging around. Surely pro scouts have contacts that can ID this.
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What is the process for the player here? I mean, do their agents not hear about this stuff as well?
If i'm a player and my coach is literally kicking my ass, i'd at least tell the agent and let him deal with it behind the scenes. Maybe with a trade request or contract renewal - what about end of season interviews?
Is the system that corrupt where it's a players vs the machine?
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11-26-2019, 01:13 PM
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#251
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Savvy27
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Entirely predictable comment.
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11-26-2019, 01:13 PM
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#252
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Racki
When do we hear from the Real Deal? Let's be honest, Bill Peters turned James Neal into Milan Lucic.
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Reading between the lines, looks like Neal had a miserable time being in his doghouse once he found himself in there. It was hard to believe just how bad he was last year, it looked like a combination of him slowing down as well as intentionally throwing in the towel.
He's still pretty bad overall, let's not kid ourselves, but he's showing this year he can in fact still shoot a puck.
Peters may very well be the reason we didn't get goal scoring Neal and now Edmonton has him. Ffs..
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11-26-2019, 01:14 PM
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#253
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I believe in the Jays.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kitsilano
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Oh god. Get rid of this moron behind the bench. There is NO turning the clock back on this situation anymore, it's already become a PR nightmare.
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11-26-2019, 01:14 PM
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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But did Peters kick Jordan while wearing Nikes? The public needs to know.
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11-26-2019, 01:14 PM
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#255
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Reading between the lines, looks like Neal had a miserable time being in his doghouse once he found himself in there. It was hard to believe just how bad he was last year, it looked like a combination of him slowing down as well as intentionally throwing in the towel.
He's still pretty bad overall, let's not kid ourselves, but he's showing this year he can in fact still shoot a puck.
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He can tip a puck or jam one in. Not much shooting going on.
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11-26-2019, 01:14 PM
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#256
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11-26-2019, 01:15 PM
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#257
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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I have to wonder how badly this stains treliving.
His targeted hire.
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11-26-2019, 01:15 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Racki
When do we hear from the Real Deal? Let's be honest, Bill Peters turned James Neal into Milan Lucic.
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No. James Neal made his own bed here. I have no doubt that Peters made the experience much worse, but Neal is still responsible for his failure in Calgary.
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11-26-2019, 01:15 PM
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#259
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Originally Posted by cannon7
But did Peters kick Jordan while wearing Nikes? The public needs to know.
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11-26-2019, 01:15 PM
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#260
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.
Bad business?!
Keeping him is bad business.
Imagine your next draft interview with players who are african-american or have african ancestry? "Yeah, coach used the N word but that was a long time ago shrug emoji"
"Hi Cammi, we really want to sign you as a free agent and yeah our general manager used to hate Jews but that was a long time ago, so sign here please..."
Not sure what line of business you're in.
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The business where I can't hold an employee accountable for something they did a decade ago while working for another company. If the individual got through the vetting process and the company was fine with the hire, then we can only judge the employee on their behavior during the time with our interest. Unless a law has been broken, and in this instance a law has not been broken, then I see no reasonable expectation for firing the guy. I don't know where you work, but if you fire someone without cause that leaves you open to a pretty good lawsuit. Considering the possible outcomes as a result of the Flames actions, this could be a pretty good lawsuit.
Do I find the use of the N word unacceptable? Yes, I do. But I continually hear the use of the word by blacks in conversations with other blacks, especially athletes. So that really weakens the argument of the unacceptability of the word IMO. I wince every time I hear it, but I find the double standard to its use unacceptable as well. No one should be using it regardless of color or ethnicity.
If you fire Peters for using the N word a decade ago, you establish a very slippery slope. How long before you have to fire someone for calling someone a homosexual slur (heard on a near ice mic this week during a game)? It's a tough standard to set, especially when there is no one in the Flames organization that can substantiate the claim or has seen similar behavior. I'm all for firing the guy, as I never wanted him hired in the first place, but this just seems like the wrong reason to do it.
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