The Matthew Tkachuk contract negotiations

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Quite possible.

I wonder if he would sign for 5 X 8.4 with the Sens. Then the compensation would only be one first rounder. That would be a disaster if the Flames didn't match, but would they match 5 X 8.4?

If Ottawa (or anyone with room and picks really) wanted to get creative, they could offer him a 4 year deal that walks him right into UFA.

8M X 4 years AAV...structured... 6M, 8M, 8M, 10M the QO at the end being the 10M

IIRC compensation would be 1-1st, 1-2nd, 1-3rd

What do you do if you are BT?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If Ottawa (or anyone with room and picks really) wanted to get creative, they could offer him a 4 year deal that walks him right into UFA.

8M X 4 years AAV...structured... 6M, 8M, 8M, 10M the QO at the end being the 10M

IIRC compensation would be 1-1st, 1-2nd, 1-3rd

What do you do if you are BT?

Yup, sign it and fax it as fast as possible.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If Ottawa (or anyone with room and picks really) wanted to get creative, they could offer him a 4 year deal that walks him right into UFA.

8M X 4 years AAV...structured... 6M, 8M, 8M, 10M the QO at the end being the 10M

IIRC compensation would be 1-1st, 1-2nd, 1-3rd

What do you do if you are BT?

Probably hold your nose and sign it.

At 8.4M, Treliving still has to make an ugly salary dump trade before the season starts to be cap compliant.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So it was fine for Gaudreau but no chance for Tkachuk?

Gaudreau played in the World Cup. He was already in game shape.


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[Moneyhands23]

^^^Sign it play him 2 years then trade him.

[stang]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If Ottawa (or anyone with room and picks really) wanted to get creative, they could offer him a 4 year deal that walks him right into UFA.

8M X 4 years AAV...structured... 6M, 8M, 8M, 10M the QO at the end being the 10M

IIRC compensation would be 1-1st, 1-2nd, 1-3rd

What do you do if you are BT?

Isn’t he a UFA after 4? QO means nothing if he’s a UFA

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If Ottawa (or anyone with room and picks really) wanted to get creative, they could offer him a 4 year deal that walks him right into UFA.

8M X 4 years AAV...structured... 6M, 8M, 8M, 10M the QO at the end being the 10M

IIRC compensation would be 1-1st, 1-2nd, 1-3rd

What do you do if you are BT?

If he is UFA the last year means nothing salary wise.

[stang]

How much space does Calgary have to sign him?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Weitz

If he is UFA the last year means nothing salary wise.

Good call...though i still thinks he would be unlikely to sign for less at that point provided he had lived up to the deal those 4 seasons.

But in saying that...what if it was a 3 year deal?

6M, 8M, 10M.

Then what do you do?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Good call...though i still thinks he would be unlikely to sign for less at that point provided he had lived up to the deal those 4 seasons.

But in saying that...what if it was a 3 year deal?

6M, 8M, 10M.

Then what do you do?

You could even make it 6, 6, 12, I think. Would you trade a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for 3 years of MT? Maybe a teams thats close would but I don't think any can afford that.

Doubt a team would do it though.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by stang

How much space does Calgary have to sign him?

Probably the best case scenario is sending Czarnik and Kylington down and going with a short roster. This leaves 8.147M for Tkachuk, which would bring the roster to 22. After the season starts, you can bring someone up on minimum salary to sit the pine on Valimaki's LTIR and fill out the roster.

[stang]

So if an offer sheet of 8.45 came puts them right at the ragged edge of only playing a 1st 2nd and 3rd, the Flames would be in tight to match that?

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by stang

So if an offer sheet of 8.45 came puts them right at the ragged edge of only playing a 1st 2nd and 3rd, the Flames would be in tight to match that?

They can't without an ugly last-minute salary dump trade. At this point, I hope the delay is only because they have a handshake long-term deal that can't be filed until the season starts because it requires the use of LTIR to fit under the cap.

[powderjunkie]

Have any offer sheets not been matched in the last 10 years? As a player signing an offer sheet, I think you have to expect you're staying with your home club...at least for a while.

This would be absolute insanity for Ottawa...so it's definitely possible. A lot more sensible for CBJ...kind of hard to imagine them wanting to go back into full rebuild mode yet again.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Have any offer sheets not been matched in the last 10 years? As a player signing an offer sheet, I think you have to expect you're staying with your home club...at least for a while.

This would be absolute insanity for Ottawa...so it's definitely possible. A lot more sensible for CBJ...kind of hard to imagine them wanting to go back into full rebuild mode yet again.

If memory serves, the last one that wasn’t matched was Penner.

[Vinny01]

Didn’t really know who Murphy is but HF locked the thread stating he is not a reliable source so this Offer sheet talk is all BS

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Have any offer sheets not been matched in the last 10 years? As a player signing an offer sheet, I think you have to expect you're staying with your home club...at least for a while.

This would be absolute insanity for Ottawa...so it's definitely possible. A lot more sensible for CBJ...kind of hard to imagine them wanting to go back into full rebuild mode yet again.

Columbus would probably have to offer him more than Ottawa. With all the pieces they have lost, Columbus is clearly a team on a downward trend. At least Tkachuk's brother is in Ottawa.

[AC]

Originally Posted by stang

So if an offer sheet of 8.45 came puts them right at the ragged edge of only playing a 1st 2nd and 3rd, the Flames would be in tight to match that?

The only 3 teams that have the required cap space and picks for that are Anaheim, Ottawa, and Winnipeg. And Winnipeg obviously has their own issues with Laine and Connor.

So the threat of him choosing to sign an offer sheet from Ottawa might make sense from the possibility of playing with Brady... but he'd be going from a team that finished 2nd overall to a disaster of a team in recent history.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by AC

The only 3 teams that have the required cap space and picks for that are Anaheim, Ottawa, and Winnipeg. And Winnipeg obviously has their own issues with Laine and Connor.

So the threat of him choosing to sign an offer sheet from Ottawa might make sense from the possibility of playing with Brady... but he'd be going from a team that finished 2nd overall to a disaster of a team in recent history.

Yes, I'm sure it would take a bit of a premium over the Flames' best offer for him to sign in Ottawa.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Knowing that
- Colorado is reportedly offering 8.4-8.75 to Rantanen long term
- Rantanen scored at 1.18 points per game and Tkachuk did not quite get to point per game levels
- Sakic is an old school NHL guy, he isn’t going to behave like Dubas

Do you really think Colorado intends to offer sheet Tkachuk in the sense that what pressures the Flames potentially somewhat undermines their own position with Rantanen?

Well that hardly answers my question. I think it’s unlikely that anyone offer sheets Tkachuk but Colorado is the team that I think he would be ok playing for and they have some semblance of cap room.

Could they clear enough room to sign Rantanen and Tkachuk to nearly identical long term deals?

As for Sakic being “old school” and not behaving like Dubas, that’s not really on point. Dubas hasn’t signed any offer sheets and frankly isn’t relevant to this discussion. I don’t know Sakic well enough to say whether he’d do it. Other than in general, I think offer sheets are a long shot.