09-13-2019, 03:07 PM
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#41
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Jore
The current contract system is so bizarre. You have the Flames nickle and diming an effective young player primed to break out even further and you have them paying what, $4 million this year for a #7-8 defender?
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If you're referring to Stone, he's effectively what, $1.8M counted towards the cap? Where are you getting the $4M? Unless you're talking about Brodie, Hanafin, or Hamonic, which would be even more absurd.
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09-13-2019, 03:08 PM
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#42
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In the Sin Bin
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Maths are hard for some people
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09-13-2019, 03:10 PM
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#43
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
There is a list of comparables above - $850 is not at all unreasonable for him.
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Based on those comparables, I think it is a little high. $800,000 might be my highest offer, were I Treliving.
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09-13-2019, 03:20 PM
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#44
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Uncle Chester
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Who needs maths when you're swimming in cap space?
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09-13-2019, 03:22 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Based on those comparables, I think it is a little high. $800,000 might be my highest offer, were I Treliving.
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But if you factor in TOI and opportunity, not to mention the significant jump in production in the second half, $850 starts to look pretty fair.
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09-13-2019, 03:41 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
There is a list of comparables above - $850 is not at all unreasonable for him.
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Well that’s a different argument, vs good form or a show of good faith because Mangiapane’s camp changed their position. Personally I think there are comparables below $800K too.
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09-13-2019, 03:43 PM
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#47
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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He really is negotiating himself off of this team.
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09-13-2019, 03:49 PM
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#48
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Crash and Bang Winger
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I do not want to eat bread while he is not signed just does not seem the same!
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09-13-2019, 03:50 PM
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#49
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Well that’s a different argument, vs good form or a show of good faith because Mangiapane’s camp changed their position. Personally I think there are comparables below $800K too.
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It wasn't a different argument for me, as I had factored that into my point - you can't use the good faith argument unless you are within the zone of fair pricing.
Sure, there are comparables below $800k, but there are also comparables over $900k or $1M no doubt. For example, he was more productive per ice-time, than Czarnik. And pretty close to Hathaway, who signed at $1.5M.
Another way to say all this is that $850k is within the zone of reasonability, because the market simply isn't very precise. And that brings us back to the point I was making about good faith.
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09-13-2019, 03:51 PM
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#50
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
He really is negotiating himself off of this team.
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At $850K?
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09-13-2019, 03:54 PM
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#51
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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Get it done
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09-13-2019, 03:56 PM
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#52
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CP's Fraser Crane
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
While this is what Michael Stone will take home this year, this is not what the Flames are paying for a #7 defenseman, that is, of course, unless you decide to tack on Stone's buyout to whomever holds down that spot.
The Flames will be paying their #7 defenseman the League minimum.
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So you don’t think Stone will be your 7th d?
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09-13-2019, 04:01 PM
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#53
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
It wasn't a different argument for me, as I had factored that into my point - you can't use the good faith argument unless you are within the zone of fair pricing.
Sure, there are comparables below $800k, but there are also comparables over $900k or $1M no doubt. For example, he was more productive per ice-time, than Czarnik. And pretty close to Hathaway, who signed at $1.5M.
Another way to say all this is that $850k is within the zone of reasonability, because the market simply isn't very precise. And that brings us back to the point I was making about good faith.
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What UFAs signed for is irrelevant...for the 1 millionth time on CP
RFA Vs. UFA
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09-13-2019, 04:04 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
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Mangiapane is better than an 850k player. Obviously, the issue is that the Flames have very little cap wiggle room
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09-13-2019, 04:14 PM
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#55
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Geeoff
Mangiapane is better than an 850k player. Obviously, the issue is that the Flames have very little cap wiggle room
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The problem is that he has yet to prove that he is worth more than that. It has nothing to do with the cap space we have available. By every comparable available we have the room to fit him in.
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09-13-2019, 04:17 PM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
At $850K?
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On a one way? Yup.
If it was all about the price this wpuld have been do e already. Clearly theres more to this. Its stupid. Mangipanes representatives need a head shake.
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09-13-2019, 04:46 PM
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#57
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by stang
So you don’t think Stone will be your 7th d?
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Whatever gave you that idea?
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09-13-2019, 05:00 PM
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#58
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
On a one way? Yup.
If it was all about the price this wpuld have been do e already. Clearly theres more to this. Its stupid. Mangipanes representatives need a head shake.
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Mangipane proved that he can hang in the bottom 6, may even have upside as a middle 6er. He deserves to be on a one way contract.
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09-13-2019, 05:01 PM
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#59
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geeoff
Mangiapane is better than an 850k player. Obviously, the issue is that the Flames have very little cap wiggle room
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Based on what exactly? 13 points?
If he is better than league min he has to actually prove it on the ice
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09-13-2019, 05:17 PM
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#60
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Mangipane proved that he can hang in the bottom 6, may even have upside as a middle 6er. He deserves to be on a one way contract.
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Disagree. And seemingly the flames do too. Until they sign him to a one way I will stick to that belief.
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