Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking 2019 - Round 18

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Unknown

Yeah, Tuulola's weakness currently is his skating, although he's an intriguing prospect because of his size, handedness and his "pissing off his opponents" -tools.

Future Lucic replacement?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Zoller

Lets be honest.

Zag, Wolf, and even Nick 'frickin' Schneider should have gone ahead of Gillies.

Agreed.

I honestly don't think you could give Gilles away at this point. I imagine he will pass through waivers before opening night.

If you offered Wolf or Zagidulin as prospects for free, a lot of teams would take them. Personally, I would have put Wolf and Zag ahead of Parsons too, but not in the top 15 either.

Having said that, I went with Roman. He seems to be progressing well and I see him having a higher ceiling than Eetu.

[Unknown]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Future Lucic replacement?

He doesn't know how to fight IIRC, but he's skating at least should be better, and yeah, he's been active in body checking.

[bax]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Probably because there's a thread right now showing recent success for Wolf, and nothing for those guys?

Does two games in the middle of July really mean anything though? Or just recency bias?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bax

Does two games in the middle of July really mean anything though? Or just recency bias?

It is purely just a matter of exposure, I think. I honestly had nearly forgotten about Wolf in the poll today, and upon seeing news of his performance at the USA WJC Selection Camp this past week was practically influenced to change my own vote. Exposure plays a huge role—more than most of us are comfortable admitting or even recognizing—in how we make these decisions.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by bax

Does two games in the middle of July really mean anything though? Or just recency bias?

I had him in and around this point since I heard he was invited to those two days in July.

Making these lists is a pretty good indication of being on the radar and with that having a chance that likely exceeds his draft position.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bax

Does two games in the middle of July really mean anything though? Or just recency bias?

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It is purely just a matter of exposure, I think. I honestly had nearly forgotten about Wolf in the poll today, and upon seeing news of his performance at the USA WJC Selection Camp this past week was practically influenced to change my own vote. Exposure plays a huge role—more than most of us are comfortable admitting or even recognizing—in how we make these decisions.

Yeah the thread didn't hurt his vote count.

[mikephoen]

I went with Lucas Feuk. His name is fun to say, and he's not a goalie.

[united]

Jeremy McKenna
Whether he should be on the list is debatable, but I'm voting based on the players that appear on the list.

One dimensional goal scorer but scoring goals is the most difficult skill in hockey. Excellent at getting open and finding gaps in coverage which allows him to get his hard and accurate shot off. Also terrific on the powerplay. But, his defensive shortcomings significantly reduce his probability of success. Hockey is full of junior snipers who didn't pan out, but there are a few who have turned into mighty good scorers. Over 5 shots per game is insane.

Ceiling: 2nd line W
Probable: Tweener
Floor: Outright bust

After McKenna I don't see anyone else as having anything more than a remote probability of playing above the third line. While McKenna has higher likelihood of busting than some others, his ceiling remains the highest. In other words, his error bar carries more variability.

This is the point in voting where ceiling, to me, starts to give way to playing any games at all in importance. This is also the point where prospects can make big gains or losses in a one-year period of time.

The Pack

Lucas Feuk

Spoiler!

At this stage his game is purely offensive, likely as a winger going forward, but one who plays a gritty game and isn't afraid to go to the tough areas of the ice. Excellent forechecker, but doesn't like his own zone. Good frame with plenty of room for growth over the next few years. Looking forward to him hopefully stepping up a level in competition next season.

Ceiling: 3rd line LW
Probable: Minors/Europe
Floor: Outright bust

Milos Roman

Spoiler!

A cerebral player who doesn't have the physical toolbox of most other draftees. Important player on the best defensive team in the conference as he often lined up against the opposition's best, which may have impacted his slightly disappointing offensive output. Very smart and patient player with a high degree of anticipation whether forechecking or angling in the neutral zone. At this stage his offense is unlikely to translate, but he is excellent defensively.

Ceiling: 4th line C
Probable: Minors/Europe
Floor: Outright bust

Ryan Lomberg

Spoiler!

Well known for his pesty play in the NHL, he actually put together a surprisingly good campaign in the minors which was likely partially the reason he was rewarded with some NHL cash. 0.5 ppg in the AHL with hardly any powerplay time isn't to be disregarded - he outscored Spencer Foo and Glenn Gawdin at 5v5 in fewer games, for example.

Ceiling: 4th line W
Probable: Minor league journeyman
Floor: Minor league journeyman

Luke Philp

Spoiler!

Very interested to see his first season of pro. Completely murdered a league filled with mid-range ex-WHLers/high-end ex-Tier 2 juniors. Likely a hard working journeyman but need some viewings.

Eetu Tuulola

Spoiler!

Massive human being who had an excellent season in Finland. A respectable 36 in 60 but with a shooting % of 6 he likely could've added a few more goals to that point total. As a natural right wing, he could become a defensively responsible banger which is not only coveted by the Flames, but the entire league. Also a big body in front on the powerplay.

Ceiling: 4th line RW
Probable: Europe
Floor: Europe

Josh Nodler

Spoiler!

Decent year of output in the USHL without a ton of powerplay time, but you could counter that by noting he also sported a shooting % of 19. Avoids the difficult areas but plays smart and efficient. Needs to up the intensity and become less of a perimeter player, but the hockey sense as a two-way forward is there.

Ceiling: 4th line utility player
Probable: Minors
Floor: Outright bust

Carl-Johan Lerby

Spoiler!

Adequate two-way defenseman who blossomed with an increased role as a powerplay quarterback this season. Small frame but smooth skater. Needs to get better defensively, but another season of development in Sweden with a big plate of confidence could do wonders.

Ceiling: #6 defenseman
Probable: Minors/Europe
Floor: Minors/Europe

Rinat Valiev

Spoiler!

As expected in Stockton. No nonsense defenseman who can chip in on the powerplay in a pinch but is better suited at evens and killing penalties. Isn't exceptionally good or poor at any aspect of the game.

Ceiling: #6 defenseman
Probable: Journeyman/injury call-up
Floor: Journeyman/injury call-up

Dustin Wolf

Spoiler!

Not much to say. Superhuman season in the WHL following right in the footsteps of Carter Hart. If he were 3+ inches taller he doesn't make it into the third round and possibly goes in the first. The NHL has become obsessed with tall goalies, but the Blues just won the Cup with an undersized goalie, and guys like Jaroslav Halak, Jonathan Quick, Antti Raanta, Philip Grubauer, Anton Khudobin have enjoyed solid careers as small guys. Cautiously optimistic.

N/A
Nick Schneider

No hope
Spencer Foo
Mitchell Mattson
Linus Lindstrom
Andrew Nielsen
Justin Kirkland
Pavel Karnaukhov

[CsInMyBlood]

Lomberg again and again.

[N26]

Originally Posted by Zoller

Lets be honest.

Zag, Wolf, and even Nick 'frickin' Schneider should have gone ahead of Gillies.

Not one of them has the past success, experience and progression that Gillies has.

Zagidulin has one good VHL season and one good KHL backup season and has never played outside the Russian hockey system. Not even 1 internationally at some U16 tournemet even.

Schneider has an average-ish WHL career and a two week AHL hot streak sandwiched between some below-average ECHL play .

Wolf is an undersized goalie with one great statistical year on a junior team which pretty much is, and has been for many years, the very definition of defense-first play.

I like that we have all of them. I am intrigued by Zagidulin and Wolf is exactly what 7th round picks are for. Take a high-risk, high-reward chance on someone who maybe should have gone a few rounds higher.

But none of them are even close to a 6'6, 220lb two-time All-American NCAA champion (Frozen Four MVP), two-time World Junior team member (! gold as a backup), 130 AHL games (53-56-7 on some poor defensive teams) and 12 NHL games played (4-5-1) goalie.

Absolutely there is cause for concern. He has been below average the last two years. He hasn't shown that he can overcome a lot of adversity yet. Stockton looks like it might be a young team again this year which isn't great for goaltenders. He may not have the next level. But I really don't think that is known yet. But suggestions that we couldn't give him away or that Wolf and Zagidulin are already top 10 prospects seem a little ridiculous to me.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by N26

Not one of them has the past success, experience and progression that Gillies has.

Zagidulin has one good VHL season and one good KHL backup season and has never played outside the Russian hockey system. Not even 1 internationally at some U16 tournemet even.

Schneider has an average-ish WHL career and a two week AHL hot streak sandwiched between some below-average ECHL play .

Wolf is an undersized goalie with one great statistical year on a junior team which pretty much is, and has been for many years, the very definition of defense-first play.

I like that we have all of them. I am intrigued by Zagidulin and Wolf is exactly what 7th round picks are for. Take a high-risk, high-reward chance on someone who maybe should have gone a few rounds higher.

But none of them are even close to a 6'6, 220lb two-time All-American NCAA champion (Frozen Four MVP), two-time World Junior team member (! gold as a backup), 130 AHL games (53-56-7 on some poor defensive teams) and 12 NHL games played (4-5-1) goalie.

Absolutely there is cause for concern. He has been below average the last two years. He hasn't shown that he can overcome a lot of adversity yet. Stockton looks like it might be a young team again this year which isn't great for goaltenders. He may not have the next level. But I really don't think that is known yet. But suggestions that we couldn't give him away or that Wolf and Zagidulin are already top 10 prospects seem a little ridiculous to me.

Gilles will easily pass through waivers some time before the end of camp. Is that not the definition of not being able to give him away for free? And I don't think it's been suggested by many (any?) that Wolf and Zagidulin should be top 10. Gilles generously was put 15th this year, he probably should be 20th or so, with Zag and Wolf in the mid to late teens.

Edit: Even Zoller would probably admit that Nick Schneider should be lower, that was a bit hyperbolic.

[David Struch]

I have high hopes for Dustin Wolf!

[dammage79]

E2 2lola!

[Poster]

I think you folks are sleeping on Milos Roman. I would have him on top 10 frankly.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Poster

I think you folks are sleeping on Milos Roman. I would have him on top 10 frankly.

Does Milos have a contract? Still 19 but 20 in November, most WHL teams don't like using an overage and euro spot on one guy.

[N26]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Gilles will easily pass through waivers some time before the end of camp. Is that not the definition of not being able to give him away for free? And I don't think it's been suggested by many (any?) that Wolf and Zagidulin should be top 10. Gilles generously was put 15th this year, he probably should be 20th or so, with Zag and Wolf in the mid to late teens.

Edit: Even Zoller would probably admit that Nick Schneider should be lower, that was a bit hyperbolic.

No it doesn't mean the definition because end of camps is when several good future NHLers get waived.

Binnington is the obvious here. If you treat him like an outlier (which he probably isn't, especially for goalies) then Nedeljlkovic, Ho-Sang, C McKenzie, Hyka, Lindberg, Dansk, Milano, Letestu, Puempel, Frk, Sateri, Barber, N Walker, Prosser, Porter, Kossila, Conacher, Bracco, Kaskusio... are also worthless.

Several of them are going to be in the NHL next year and a few are going to hit big.

A guy who gets sent down at any other point in the season, especially after the first month when injuries and struggling teams looking to make changes, and passes through can maybe be defined as ungiveawayable (boy that doesn't sound like a real word) but not anyone during camps.

[Samonadreau]

Really? a round 18 runoff. Cant we just flip a coin lol.