Brad "Frickin" Treliving

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by SebC

Something to note: if Lucic has to protected, it's not fully costing us the player Seattle picks. It's costing us the difference between that player and the next guy on their list.

Yeah. They are taking someone and the difference between those two players may be the equivalent of tossing in a 3rd round pick.

[transplant99]

I think its fair to say that because of this Lucic deal, BT is now officially on the hot seat.

He has done some great work but his mistakes are huge. Now none of that matters if he gets the results, and IMO the counter has been activated. Miss the playoffs or another terrible first round showing, and he is gonzo.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Watch Neal pot 35 off McDavids wing and let’s revisit this thread.

Massive failure on behalf of Treliving, unless, there is something regarding the Neal situation that is not disclosed (unhappy, health, team chemistry).

I expected Neal to be worth more, he’s only one season removed from 25 goals and consecutive play off success. I’m assuming Tre knows better than me though. Still looks like a #### deal.

Someone is going to play on McDavid's wing and thus, presumably, pot a bunch of goals.

If it's Neal, then the Oilers are not a better team.

Those stats may make you and some other people feel that the Oilers won the trade. But it's about winning, not how many goals some player gets. And if you're wasting another year of McDavid by putting Neal on his wing so that Neal gets some goals and it looks good optically for the trade, well... that's not winning.

The Oilers remain a disaster, regardless of this trade.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think its fair to say that because of this Lucic deal, BT is now officially on the hot seat.

He has done some great work but his mistakes are huge. Now none of that matters if he gets the results, and IMO the counter has been activated. Miss the playoffs or another terrible first round showing, and he is gonzo.

I agree that he’s made a couple of terrible moves. However, when is the last time the Flames have been first in the west? I think that alone has lengthened the noose. This is still a good hockey team.

[Dajazz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Someone is going to play on McDavid's wing and thus, presumably, pot a bunch of goals.

If it's Neal, then the Oilers are not a better team.

Those stats may make you and some other people feel that the Oilers won the trade. But it's about winning, not how many goals some player gets. And if you're wasting another year of McDavid by putting Neal on his wing so that Neal gets some goals and it looks good optically for the trade, well... that's not winning.

The Oilers remain a disaster, regardless of this trade.

Fully agree, but it also means they are less bad. We took on one of the worst, if not THE worst, contract in the league. Maybe in the history of the league (cap era).

If the Oilers win that trade (and I think they did) you don’t do it. Needed toughness? Re-sign Hathaway to start with.

I’ll keep my fingers crossed that Lucic > Neal, but I ain’t holding my breath...

Why do I hate the trade? Because I’m quite positive that Neal didn’t drop off a cliff, while Lucic has been an anchor for years and declining still.

[Enoch Root]

I don't like the trade either. I just don't see the point of acquiring Lucic - there wasn't enough in it for the Flames (maybe, if we actually got a 3rd out of it).

But as far as the 'worst contract in the league' goes, we have Lucic at $5.25M, and they have Neal at $6.5M. So I think that is probably a wash.

Also, Lucic actually fills a roster spot (that was vacated by Hathaway), whereas Neal was a square peg.

[I_H8_Crawford]

This is a desperation move and tells me ownership told Treliving they are not paying for his UFA mistakes.

Treliving took an anchor attached by rope that you could cut and turned it into an anchor attached by an unbreakable chain.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think its fair to say that because of this Lucic deal, BT is now officially on the hot seat.

He has done some great work but his mistakes are huge. Now none of that matters if he gets the results, and IMO the counter has been activated. Miss the playoffs or another terrible first round showing, and he is gonzo.

Disagree, I don't think there is any chance Treliving isn't back next season unless he decides to leave himself.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Fire

Disagree, I don't think there is any chance Treliving isn't back next season unless he decides to leave himself.

Ya pretty sure he will be with The Flames for at least 2 more years.

Unless its his decision to bail. He doesn't seem like a guy who would want to bail before achieving a deep run/success.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think its fair to say that because of this Lucic deal, BT is now officially on the hot seat.

He has done some great work but his mistakes are huge. Now none of that matters if he gets the results, and IMO the counter has been activated. Miss the playoffs or another terrible first round showing, and he is gonzo.

I don't know if he's on the hot seat with owners but after defending him right up until yesterday he's now got a foot out the door with me. I feel there's potential for this trade to haunt Treliving if Neal works out in Edmonton and somehow the Oilers manage to close the gap between themselves and the Flames. Burke learned a long time ago trading those first round picks to the Bruins for Kessel (a trade he could never shake as part of his undoing in Toronto) that if there's potential of it blowing up in your face you are better off not making the move and I'm surprised he wouldn't give Treliving some advice here as I feel at the very least Burke would have drove a hard bargain and pried more assets in return before making such a risky trade that has potential to make a rival team better.

[Enoch Root]

The fact that some people don't like the trade, does not mean that Treliving is on the hot seat. They finished 2nd overall last year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The fact that some people don't like the trade, does not mean that Treliving is on the hot seat. They finished 2nd overall last year.

Look up how many posters said Treliving was on his way out because of the Hamilton trade.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think its fair to say that because of this Lucic deal, BT is now officially on the hot seat.

He has done some great work but his mistakes are huge. Now none of that matters if he gets the results, and IMO the counter has been activated. Miss the playoffs or another terrible first round showing, and he is gonzo.

I think it’s fair to have that opinion but I don’t agree with it
If you look at the body of work he’s the second best gm this org has had
And he just delivered a 100 pt season
I don’t think this move changes how ownership views him

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don’t think this move changes how ownership views him

The owners probably like this move much more than fans. It saves them over seven million over the life of both contracts.

[Roof-Daddy]

I will say that I hope the Neal contract is the last time Tre signs a 30+ year old player to a long term big money deal.

Burned twice now with Brouwer and Neal. Third time is not the charm in this case.

[Strange Brew]

Pro sports is a tough business. The Flames past regular season won’t mean much if the club can’t follow it up with another strong season, especially given the playoff results.

I don’t know where I’d rank Treliving on all time Flames GM’s, but if he is near the top that speaks more to the organization’s history than anything IMO.

Just IMO, he has had an average GM tenure. I don’t see the Flames organization doing things especially differently or cutting edge. But the guy is no dummy.

[GGG]

He really hit homeruns with the two Hamilton deals and all of the RFA signings.

He has two blunders with Brouwer and Neal.

This latest trade doesn’t move the needle much. It’s more of a consequence of the Neal deal that he made slightly worse.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think it’s fair to have that opinion but I don’t agree with it
If you look at the body of work he’s the second best gm this org has had
And he just delivered a 100 pt season
I don’t think this move changes how ownership views him

He may have delivered a 100 pt season..but also delivered a team that got snot bubbled in the playoffs with a G that played out of his mind much more than not.

Not sure how much leeway that buys him.

Let me ask you this..

If they miss the playoffs or are even knocked out in round 1 again..do you think he will be retained? (Unless a series of injuries to key guys etc can be pointed to)

I am a fan of his work overall to be honest, but this deal smacks of desperation to me and when thats starts to happen, you can usually see the end coming sonner rather than later.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I will say that I hope the Neal contract is the last time Tre signs a 30+ year old player to a long term big money deal.

Burned twice now with Brouwer and Neal. Third time is not the charm in this case.

Gio and Backlund were players he gave big money and term to for their 30’s and so far seems fine (Backlund is just entering his 30’s though)

UFA’s other teams allow to walk? He needs to steer clear.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Gio and Backlund were players he gave big money and term to for their 30’s and so far seems fine (Backlund is just entering his 30’s though)

UFA’s other teams allow to walk? He needs to steer clear.

Fair enough. I meant UFAs from other teams.

Gio and Backlund you know fit.

Neal and Brouwer didn't fit but by the time you find out it's too late.